Comments on: A Photographer’s Guide To Pricing Your Work And Services http://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services Video Blog for Creative Professionals Fri, 17 May 2013 00:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Louis Rumballhttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26721 Louis Rumball Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:19:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26721 Brilliant! Very helpful and some good tips ill be putting in to practice! 

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By: Louis Rumballhttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26722 Louis Rumball Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:19:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26722 Brilliant! Very helpful and some good tips ill be putting in to practice! 

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By: Anonymoushttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26404 Anonymous Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:08:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26404 It will take a lot of time. Maybe sometime I would have much time to explain and make my effort for Fstoppers. It’s not easy for me, because I’m not from English-speaking country. We’ll see.

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By: Patrick Hallhttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26377 Patrick Hall Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:47:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26377 Garth, do you think the population that does not have internet is a clientele to even target?  When I market my own work, I specifically aim towards clients who have  internet, social media, college degree, smart phone, etc etc because I know how much more promotion they will give me after the completion of the job.  If a company or individual is not connected online then I purposely do not try to market towards them.  Maybe I’m missing a small demographic who would increase my revenue but deep down inside, for highend wedding photography at least, I don’t think brides willing to spend top dollar would also not have an online presence themselves.  

As for Mike’s comments about not selling the photography itself, I think that is already the case.  We all want to think we are selling our photography but honestly I think 80% of what seals a contract is YOU and your personality.  I think having solid images in your port is what brings a client to you but more than anything else it’s your personality and relationship with the client that ultimately separates you from the competition and makes the sale.  

How many times have you seen poor photography or a boring concept and thought “How in the world did this guy get the job?”  It’s not the photography, it’s the relationship the photographer had with the client.  Many people will choose not to believe this and it will be their loss but those who embrace this idea will have a very successful business.  

This idea is a big reason why I often join in the dancing at my weddings, share an alcoholic drink with the bride and groom, and even hand my DSLR cameras to the bride or her bridesmaids….I’m selling my personality first and foremost knowing the photographs are going to be great.  Some people might say it’s completely unprofessional (and it is always a judgement calls, sometimes I don’t) but I think it helps break the “hired help” label and brings me closer to being a friend.  Friends ultimately book more than being a hired hand :)

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By: Patrick Hallhttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26375 Patrick Hall Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26375 Ah sorry you feel that way Mike.  I just read his response and while there were a few direct attacks that seemed unnecessary, it did make me wonder how the average photographer from your view point would ever book a real job from a large company like Adidas or Wells Fargo.  Some companies might resort to licensing a photographer’s previous work in a sort of stock image bid but I think most companies would still have specific needs that would require a realtime shoot.  I know it’s always tough to have an open discussion online without the real world rebuttals an clarifications on miscommunicated ideas.  Just be reminded that with every one response you find offensive there are dozens of people who won’t respond but found help in your position.  Thanks for reading

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By: Patrick Hallhttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26376 Patrick Hall Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26376 Ah sorry you feel that way Mike.  I just read his response and while there were a few direct attacks that seemed unnecessary, it did make me wonder how the average photographer from your view point would ever book a real job from a large company like Adidas or Wells Fargo.  Some companies might resort to licensing a photographer’s previous work in a sort of stock image bid but I think most companies would still have specific needs that would require a realtime shoot.  I know it’s always tough to have an open discussion online without the real world rebuttals an clarifications on miscommunicated ideas.  Just be reminded that with every one response you find offensive there are dozens of people who won’t respond but found help in your position.  Thanks for reading

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By: Anonymoushttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26372 Anonymous Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26372 Patrick, Hey man I just wanted to let you know not to get offended if I don’t respond to anything that you might post. I just read a post to me by garth VG…I’m just not going to deal with this high school kind of mocking/condescending attitude and don’t have anything left to discuss here. No offense to you or the blog, I’m gonna keep up with your site and just not participate. Best of luck with your wedding business.

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By: Anonymoushttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26373 Anonymous Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26373 Patrick, Hey man I just wanted to let you know not to get offended if I don’t respond to anything that you might post. I just read a post to me by garth VG…I’m just not going to deal with this high school kind of mocking/condescending attitude and don’t have anything left to discuss here. No offense to you or the blog, I’m gonna keep up with your site and just not participate. Best of luck with your wedding business.

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By: Anonymoushttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26374 Anonymous Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26374 Patrick, Hey man I just wanted to let you know not to get offended if I don’t respond to anything that you might post. I just read a post to me by garth VG…I’m just not going to deal with this high school kind of mocking/condescending attitude and don’t have anything left to discuss here. No offense to you or the blog, I’m gonna keep up with your site and just not participate. Best of luck with your wedding business.

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By: Garth Vghttp://fstoppers.com/a-photographers-guide-to-pricing-your-work-and-services/comment-page-1#comment-26369 Garth Vg Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:07:00 +0000 http://fstoppers.com/?p=13655#comment-26369 I have to disagree.  As much as the business of photography has changed in the advent of digital, it has also stayed the same.  The major differences is the delivery system of images and the MBA attitude of incentives.

Yes, traditional print media is declining however, it is not a dead market.  As much as people would like to think that everyone in the world is “online” and they can deliver their message electronically for “free”, this is the old guard trying to force old sales and marketing techniques into a digital world, that they really don’t understand and they are fearful of.

As of March 31, 2011, the Internet Usage and World Population Statistics web site is reported that only 30% of the world wide population is online.  The United States, only 13% of it’s the population is online.  Print media still has it’s place in this world of ours.  I’m not denying that one day it will be at a minimum.  But don’t start carving the tombstone just yet.  We have got a long way to go.

“Digital shooters need to become content producers. In other words, they must learn to self-finance their own content and then make money off of the completed work”…”The main point to understand is that photographers have to figure out a way to make money off of something other than the photography itself”.

First off, you argument is a complet and utter contradiction.  You need to produce content…images…i.e. photographs. Then, figure out a way to make money “…off of something other than the photography itself”.  What??? I’m confused because I know you are.

Let forget for a moment that businesses spend millions of dollars on market research for their next ad campaign, which by the way is a closely guarded secret.  Locked down by a litany non-disclosure agreements and lawyers.  That somehow, in the context of this conversation, a photographer is to psychically figure out what his/her “potential” client base is planing for their next ad campaign.  Absorb all the cost to produce images that exactly fit those highly researched and planned out campaigns.  Then stand in line with a dozen or so other “psychic” photo professionals, just hoping to make something back on your “investment”.  Because we all know when supply go up, prices follow.

“Photography is no longer a single clearly defined part of a sequence and is now an undefined part in a non-linear mosaic.”

Photographs sells products. Period.  If you have any doubts.  Research “Wheaties”.

“From the 1960s through the 1990s, Wheaties provided in-box promotions, but maintained a focus on athletic fitness and on-the-box sports figure promotions. Since the debut of the front cover depiction of Bob Richards, hundreds of athletes have been shown and promoted, including entire baseball, basketball, and football teams, while also highlighting Olympic successes (including regional Special Olympics editions). Wheaties also does not limit itself to current athletic stars, as special edition boxes have depicted baseball players from the early 20th century, and many athletes who were too early for Wheaties to cover (see Jim Thorpe).” – Wikipedia

“…maintained a focus on athletic fitness and on-the-box sports figure promotions.” and “…special edition boxes have depicted baseball players from the early 20th century…”  If, as you said, “Photography is no longer a single clearly defined part of a sequence…” then please explain why General Mills has chosen to display a image(photograph) of major sport athletes on their product for the last 51 years.

You Business model of the future is the “MBA’s Utopian business model”.  Have somebody else do all the work. Have them pay for it, so I can reep all the profits.  Or I’ll kick it old school for you.  “Why buy the cow, when I can get the milk for free”.

The only person who is holding on to a film/mechanical economy, is you.  You’re making the same old assumptive mistake that digital is somehow free because the “process of film” has been removed.  Ignoring that the rest of the brick and mortar world is still in existence.

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