<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: [Editorial] How China Changed the American Lighting Industry</title> <atom:link href="http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry</link> <description>Video Blog for Creative Professionals</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:17:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Kryn</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-60745</link> <dc:creator>Kryn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-60745</guid> <description><![CDATA[Just so people know, there is a difference between Chinese products and products made in China. They are not necessarily the same. Apple (made in China) is not a chinese product. Nokia (also made in China) is equally not a chinese product. Anything made in china by western companies, is tightly controlled by processes. If the products show production flaws, then all the developers have to do is modify the process. On the other hand, Chinese products usually do NOT follow such processes. Chinese products are usually copies. Sometimes heavily modified copies, but they remain copies. And without knowledge on development processes and manufacturing processes, the quality of chinese products remain below par. I&#039;ve been in China 2,5 years now, and sure, they have some nice stuff, but not Bowens nice. There is a reason why western products are expensive even though they are made in China: because people with knowledge (Westerners) designed and developed the products, and processes. Hence the quality becomes good, because people who have spend decades perfecting their knowledge used that knowledge for a good product. China misses that development history, and although the country now thrives on cheap labour and copying copies of copies. At some point the economy turns around and consumers stop buying chinese products. And thats when the chinese manufacturing society will collapse. Simply because they don&#039;t know the &quot;why&quot;. Sure they know the how and what, but without the why you cannot solve problems, be inventive. Their money grabbing culture has made them choose the route to the quickest buck (copy paste), but once there is no sales anymore they wil have to develop decent products and provide decent suport to compete with the rest of the world, and guess what... you need experience for that. Even if they copy processes, without knowing why they are the way they are, using a process only gets you so far.Having said that, there are also companies that make an effort in China. Needless to say they are more expensive. Not western expensive, but more expensive nevertheless. Those products are the ones that will get China a TRUE position on the world map. But with those companies being few and thinly spread, that will take quite a while...]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so people know, there is a difference between Chinese products and products made in China. They are not necessarily the same. Apple (made in China) is not a chinese product. Nokia (also made in China) is equally not a chinese product. Anything made in china by western companies, is tightly controlled by processes. If the products show production flaws, then all the developers have to do is modify the process. On the other hand, Chinese products usually do NOT follow such processes. Chinese products are usually copies. Sometimes heavily modified copies, but they remain copies. And without knowledge on development processes and manufacturing processes, the quality of chinese products remain below par. I&#8217;ve been in China 2,5 years now, and sure, they have some nice stuff, but not Bowens nice. There is a reason why western products are expensive even though they are made in China: because people with knowledge (Westerners) designed and developed the products, and processes. Hence the quality becomes good, because people who have spend decades perfecting their knowledge used that knowledge for a good product. China misses that development history, and although the country now thrives on cheap labour and copying copies of copies. At some point the economy turns around and consumers stop buying chinese products. And thats when the chinese manufacturing society will collapse. Simply because they don&#8217;t know the &#8220;why&#8221;. Sure they know the how and what, but without the why you cannot solve problems, be inventive. Their money grabbing culture has made them choose the route to the quickest buck (copy paste), but once there is no sales anymore they wil have to develop decent products and provide decent suport to compete with the rest of the world, and guess what&#8230; you need experience for that. Even if they copy processes, without knowing why they are the way they are, using a process only gets you so far.</p><p>Having said that, there are also companies that make an effort in China. Needless to say they are more expensive. Not western expensive, but more expensive nevertheless. Those products are the ones that will get China a TRUE position on the world map. But with those companies being few and thinly spread, that will take quite a while&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TadaoCern</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-56411</link> <dc:creator>TadaoCern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-56411</guid> <description><![CDATA[Would it be ok if you would create a photo series that could be used as an ad campaign, but you wouldn&#039;t get the money because the company would find a cheaper photographer who would only have to copy the idea.That what happened to me more than once and I can assure you - the feeling is not good. The same is here... And why Chinese copies cost less? Because they don&#039;t need research facilities, they don&#039;t need to hire designers and engineers - the only thing that they need to do - copy one on one.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be ok if you would create a photo series that could be used as an ad campaign, but you wouldn&#8217;t get the money because the company would find a cheaper photographer who would only have to copy the idea.</p><p>That what happened to me more than once and I can assure you &#8211; the feeling is not good.<br /> The same is here&#8230; And why Chinese copies cost less? Because they don&#8217;t need research facilities, they don&#8217;t need to hire designers and engineers &#8211; the only thing that they need to do &#8211; copy one on one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Henry Fan</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-55821</link> <dc:creator>Henry Fan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-55821</guid> <description><![CDATA[No question studio strobes are WAY overpriced for what they do. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question studio strobes are WAY overpriced for what they do. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Murphy</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-51461</link> <dc:creator>Michael Murphy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-51461</guid> <description><![CDATA[Excellent piece. I have studied marketing, like you, even down to the psychology behind it. funny thing is, i still am often persuaded by brand over price. for lighting, if my budget allows i go with the bigger brands. i was once burned by the purchase of a cheap hong kong ring light adapter. this thing was absolute junk. cardboard parts even! i have since treaded very lightly when it comes to saving a buck. i&#039;m sure those chinese strobes are excellent and i&#039;ve read nothing but good things about those manufacturers but can&#039;t help but put my trust in the bigger names. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece. I have studied marketing, like you, even down to the psychology behind it. funny thing is, i still am often persuaded by brand over price. for lighting, if my budget allows i go with the bigger brands. i was once burned by the purchase of a cheap hong kong ring light adapter. this thing was absolute junk. cardboard parts even! i have since treaded very lightly when it comes to saving a buck. i&#8217;m sure those chinese strobes are excellent and i&#8217;ve read nothing but good things about those manufacturers but can&#8217;t help but put my trust in the bigger names.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Bruce</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-47021</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Bruce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-47021</guid> <description><![CDATA[JaronThis is a wonderful and well thought out article.I like that your focus isnt on the consumer ethics of buying or not buying foreign or knock offs but directly at those responsible.Its only natural that the technology drift would happen. Whats surprising is how blinded some have been to this eventuality.For me it will be interesting to see what happens to Western based oil companies vs chinese as many western based companies are getting things like drilling rigs built in china and its only a matter of time before that technological advantage is eroded and the cheap labour aspect starts to make Western based companies uncompetitive. Right now it the &quot;quality&quot; or ability of the people thats preventing this from happening. Time will tell if that changes.China though is in a precarious position as they are almost completely reliant on their cheap export industry. Among other challenges stemming from the one party decision making process.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaron</p><p>This is a wonderful and well thought out article.</p><p>I like that your focus isnt on the consumer ethics of buying or not buying foreign or knock offs but directly at those responsible.</p><p>Its only natural that the technology drift would happen. Whats surprising is how blinded some have been to this eventuality.</p><p>For me it will be interesting to see what happens to Western based oil companies vs chinese as many western based companies are getting things like drilling rigs built in china and its only a matter of time before that technological advantage is eroded and the cheap labour aspect starts to make Western based companies uncompetitive. Right now it the &#8220;quality&#8221; or ability of the people thats preventing this from happening. Time will tell if that changes.</p><p>China though is in a precarious position as they are almost completely reliant on their cheap export industry. Among other challenges stemming from the one party decision making process.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Bruce</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-47020</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Bruce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 07:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-47020</guid> <description><![CDATA[That really remains to be seen. China certainly has the lead with &quot;hard&quot; products but India remains ahead in terms of education etc. China&#039;s schools do a woeful job of preparing their workforce for the &quot;real&quot; world. I live and work internationally (middle east) and you will be hard pressed to find Chinese white collar workers in business that are non-Chinese. Indians you will find in every business and from every country. Not to mention the number of professors from India you will find in the US for example vs Chinese professors.I read an article not so long ago that discussed the education issue for china. If I recall correctly they mentioned that per capita china puts out more &quot;engineers&quot; than any other country. Per capita. Yet these &quot;engineers&quot; are not being hired by international firms because they lack the skills to do the job. This is not the case at all with India.China will live and die by its one party state. One the one hand it gives them advantages over India in that decisions can be made quickly as it is top down and non-democratic. This we see with Chinas ability to develop &quot;hard&quot; products such as high speed trains. The disadvantage is that there is no need to develop the &quot;soft&quot; products such as the education of people because the education is tightly controlled.India on the other hand is a democracy and for all the corruption and BS that happens that democracy allows a robust education system to flourish.So will &quot;hard&quot; technology or &quot;soft&quot; education win in the end? That remains to be seen.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That really remains to be seen. China certainly has the lead with &#8220;hard&#8221; products but India remains ahead in terms of education etc. China&#8217;s schools do a woeful job of preparing their workforce for the &#8220;real&#8221; world. I live and work internationally (middle east) and you will be hard pressed to find Chinese white collar workers in business that are non-Chinese. Indians you will find in every business and from every country. Not to mention the number of professors from India you will find in the US for example vs Chinese professors.</p><p>I read an article not so long ago that discussed the education issue for china. If I recall correctly they mentioned that per capita china puts out more &#8220;engineers&#8221; than any other country. Per capita. Yet these &#8220;engineers&#8221; are not being hired by international firms because they lack the skills to do the job. This is not the case at all with India.</p><p>China will live and die by its one party state. One the one hand it gives them advantages over India in that decisions can be made quickly as it is top down and non-democratic. This we see with Chinas ability to develop &#8220;hard&#8221; products such as high speed trains. The disadvantage is that there is no need to develop the &#8220;soft&#8221; products such as the education of people because the education is tightly controlled.</p><p>India on the other hand is a democracy and for all the corruption and BS that happens that democracy allows a robust education system to flourish.</p><p>So will &#8220;hard&#8221; technology or &#8220;soft&#8221; education win in the end? That remains to be seen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mingyang sun</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-44947</link> <dc:creator>mingyang sun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-44947</guid> <description><![CDATA[First of all...what I don&#039;t understand why the Western labours have to get paid MORE than Asian labours or African labours in their country? That&#039;s RACISM. Second, if you start being greedy, you end up in the grave. That&#039;s all. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all&#8230;what I don&#8217;t understand why the Western labours have to get paid MORE than Asian labours or African labours in their country? That&#8217;s RACISM. </p><p>Second, if you start being greedy, you end up in the grave. That&#8217;s all. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mingyang sun</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-44946</link> <dc:creator>mingyang sun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-44946</guid> <description><![CDATA[That means those things should cost less buy. period. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That means those things should cost less buy. period. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mingyang sun</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-44945</link> <dc:creator>mingyang sun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-44945</guid> <description><![CDATA[&quot;One Child&quot; Policy...dude...you are outdated...thumbs down for you...]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One Child&#8221; Policy&#8230;dude&#8230;you are outdated&#8230;thumbs down for you&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mantas Lazauskas</title><link>http://fstoppers.com/how-china-changed-the-american-lighting-industry/comment-page-1#comment-42156</link> <dc:creator>Mantas Lazauskas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://fstoppers.com/?p=20832#comment-42156</guid> <description><![CDATA[Interesting article.But as it was already mentioned in the post ... some stuff for photgs is reaaaally overpriced. I mean you can buy a chair for example for 10$, and almost the same chair for photographer costs 100$. Ok, it might be heavy duty etc etc ... but you can buy 10. If you are really a pro, you buy the best you can get for the peace of your mind and know that this will last long, won&#039;t give you any surprises.And imagine quite opposite side, there are only profoto lights, costs 5k+, how many people especially in countries with lower economic could afford that?Stealing is bad, everyone agrees with that, but I don&#039;t think that this situation is a surprise for anyone. Pro brands have their advantages and a real pro gets pro equipment so `china stole` thing is not an issue here. Sometimes it&#039;s even better, some people would not start in photography if they had to buy expensive gear just from the begging, they already buy expensive cameras and lenses. And in the end if they go pro, they go for the real thing.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.</p><p>But as it was already mentioned in the post &#8230; some stuff for photgs is reaaaally overpriced. I mean you can buy a chair for example for 10$, and almost the same chair for photographer costs 100$. Ok, it might be heavy duty etc etc &#8230; but you can buy 10. If you are really a pro, you buy the best you can get for the peace of your mind and know that this will last long, won&#8217;t give you any surprises.</p><p>And imagine quite opposite side, there are only profoto lights, costs 5k+, how many people especially in countries with lower economic could afford that?</p><p>Stealing is bad, everyone agrees with that, but I don&#8217;t think that this situation is a surprise for anyone. Pro brands have their advantages and a real pro gets pro equipment so `china stole` thing is not an issue here. Sometimes it&#8217;s even better, some people would not start in photography if they had to buy expensive gear just from the begging, they already buy expensive cameras and lenses. And in the end if they go pro, they go for the real thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>