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              January 17, 2013
              Lee Morris

              This Guy Stole Photography From The Wrong Person… Me

              A few weeks ago I got a Facebook message from someone saying I should check out a particular website. The message simply said “I think this guy is stealing your pictures.” We’ll call “this guy” “John,” and yes, John was using my pictures as well as other photographers’ images and claiming that they were his own. John’s plan of grabbing images from photographers far outside of his state could have worked but he happened to choose me, Lee Morris, the owner of one of the biggest photography websites on the internet, and the creator of a massive wedding photography tutorial.

              The first link that I was sent was to Wedding.com. On this site, “John” had made a business profile featuring some of my images.

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              The image above is one of my flagship images. I took that shot for a big advertising campaign years ago. I put a ton of thought and work into getting that image and so I could easily recognize it anywhere. After seeing this, I showed a few of my friends this page and they began doing some research. In about 20 minutes of time we knew everything about John; his current and previous address, his Facebook page, his Google account information, his current and previous employers, his phone number, and a list of websites where he was advertising his “business” including his main website.


              We found his personal website updatebelow This Guy Stole Photography From The Wrong Person... Me
              We found him advertising on other websites
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              We found him on Craigslist
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              We found him on Youtube
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              As I went through more and more of “his” pictures, I kept wondering if anyone was actually falling for this because he would put a few of my images next to one of his shots and it was obvious that these shots were not taken by the same person. When you see one of his shots next to one of mine, it just doesn’t really add up.

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              As I continued through “his portfolio” I noticed one shot that looked like something I would take, but it wasn’t my shot. After reviewing John’s actual work, I knew he wasn’t good enough to take it so I did a little more research. I noticed that the trees in the background looked familiar… in fact, this shot was taken about 1 minute from my house at Boone Hall Plantation. After doing a Tineye search for that image I realized that he had stolen this picture from my friend Leigh Webber, another great wedding photographer in town.

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              Now I know a lot of photographers would be furious about this but honestly it didn’t really bother me. I think John was pretty stupid for trying to get away with using my pictures as his own, especially when some of my pictures are so well known publicly, but I doubt he is booking any work and this isn’t effecting my business in any way. I was going to just forget the whole thing ever happened but a few friends convinced me to give John a call.

               

              I called John multiple times. Probably twice a day for 3 or 4 days. He had a Google Voice number and I didn’t want to leave a message because I actually wanted to talk to him and ask why he would do this. I called John again just now and got his voice mail again. I went back to John’s website today and noticed that all of my pictures had been removed, and there used to be a lot up there. I assume that John Googled the phone number of the person that was calling him so much and realized it was Lee Morris, the guy he was stealing from.

              A few months ago I wrote the article: How Bad Wedding Photographers Have Made The Industry Better. I made the argument that brides are willing to spend more money for “good” photographers because there are so many horror stories about cheap wedding photographers. Can you imagine if you had booked this guy expecting his pictures to turn out like mine and then he delivered these amateur, snap shot, spot colored pictures? John would have added another horror story to the wedding photography industry. I have no problem with cheap wedding photographers, everyone has to start somewhere; the problem with John is that he is blatantly lying to his customers. If a Bride in John’s area has a certain amount of money to spend on a photographer and she chooses one based on their portfolio, John might win that client over a real photographer by using other photographers’ images.

              As I said above I’m really not mad at John. We’ve all done stupid things before and I doubt he has booked a single wedding from this website of his. I didn’t write this post to get this person in trouble with the community, that is why I changed his name and blacked out everything about his business in the images. If you do figure out who he is, please do not contact him, that is not what this is about. I may try to give John another call in a few days and if he doesn’t respond I may eventually send him an email. Maybe I’ll even send him a copy of our new wedding dvd, he could use it. The moral of the story is, don’t steal other photographers’ work and claim that it is your own, especially mine. You’ll never get away with it.

              Update: I received a sincere apology and explanation from John and in an attempt to protect his anonymity, I have removed the majority of the images in this post. My intention was never to reveal who John was and I honestly wish him the best. Needless to say, John will only be using his images to promote his business from now on.

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              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1142348764 Corlis ʼn Megan Gray

                Hey Lee!  If we steal some of your images and pass them off as our own will we get the wedding dvd free?!?  LOL

              • fahfah

                Lee – I appreciate the fact that you’re showing grace and forgiveness, I really do. But, this is theft and copyright infringement on your end and fraud on his end. He is fraudulently representing himself to his “customers” if he has any. That doesn’t help the legitimate ‘togs in his area and it’s bad for business period. I can understand you not wanting to prosecute, but I think he needs to be called out publicly and stopped. 

              • cojophoto

                You could send me a copy too, I wouldn’t mind checking it out! haha.

              • http://www.facebook.com/justryaaannnn Ryan Liu

                although it may sound arrogant claiming that his pictures are different than John’s. i guess he was just making a point that John’s work has no par standards with his works. Its like putting a paint and a picture together side by side and claiming both of it as a photograph. Well, i hope i explained that well, if not i hope you get what i meant! :) 

              • JosephRT

                Hey Lee, You mad bro? Lol

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Patro-Lind-Lino/100000930487497 Patrick Patro Lind Lino

                Lee you are a true gentleman for taking the high road and putting things into prospective. I’m glad to have met you and Patrick in Chicago back a few summers ago. Cheers Mate.

              • Al Quintero

                oh come on, how could you have let him off so easily? Im not saying you had to go all out lawsuit on him, but you should have at least made him sweat a little more…. then send him the DVD  :-)

              • http://www.facebook.com/steve.ohara.3 Steve O’Hara

                If you’re going to give a you Wedding DVD to a jerk who steals work – please give it to me instead!  I’d love a copy.  I’d “settle” for the Peter Hurley DVD though!   

              • kenyee

                LOL…so if I steal one of Lee’s photos, then photo collage it w/ Patrick Hall’s, then selective color it and post it up with a really bad video of the process, would I get a free wedding DVD and photoshop and videography DVD? :-)
                Wooohoo!  :-)))

                Nice job taking the high road Lee…you guys always have class.

              • http://www.facebook.com/thekeithbradshaw Keith Bradshaw

                This is self-worth gone south. Imagine knowing that your talent is so bad that you have to steal it.
                OR….
                It’s a scam artist with hopes of receiving deposit money only to slip away and never take a picture. 

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000255443926 Christina Coastin

                Wow.  Very reasoned response.  Good for you!

              • Jesse Vargas

                It’s kind of funny cuz that’s the same thought that came up in my mind when I read that line… Not that I’d try to but the thought came up nonetheless 

              • Jesse Vargas

                BAM!!! Co-Founder spoke! y’all had forgotten about Mr Patrick Hall! hahaha

              • Jesse Vargas

                I guess Im going to have to stop telling people that I started Fstoppers and that my name is Lee Morris… shucks….

              • http://davidsutphin.com/ David Sutphin

                What about the couple that hires this guy thinking they’re going to get similar results of their wedding day and end up only with this guy’s actual work? You certainly haven’t done them any favors by letting it slide, even for a little while.

              • http://www.facebook.com/tguillaro Tony Guillaro

                LMFAO…Way to go lee 

              • Richie Velasquez

                Come on…Its Lee! This guys as cool and nice as they come. I had photos stolen from me before, and the guy who did it re-edited them to add some sort of rainbow filter for the whole 3 images he stole…I was pissed! And I’m not a famous craftsman like Lee. These kinds of issues happen to many of us! This needs to be discussed, and Lee’s approach to “John” is exemplary. Well played Lee. Respect is the way to make friends in this industry. I hate cocky photogs who think they’re the best in the world.

              • http://fstoppers.com/author/rebecca Rebecca Britt

                Aww. 

              • http://www.facebook.com/thekeithbradshaw Keith Bradshaw

                I would have totally named him. Maybe I should just chill out but it reminds me of the web commercial I produced for the “TED 5000 energy detective.” Which by the NEVER works and I feel so ashamed for producing content that was misleading. 

              • David_Keller

                 i doesn’t work? shit, i didn’t know that. i’ve done work for them too

              • http://www.facebook.com/tyler.dretke Tyler Dretke

                Well played, Sir.  You handled this situation with greater poise and maturity than I would have been capable of.  This makes me respect FStoppers and your photography even more.  

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1353257020 Jordan Murphy

                You handled this very well Lee and I commend you for this!  I think most of us wouldn’t have been so kind and forgiving…

              • twolights

                Hi lee, appreciate your reply thank you.

                My surprise came from the fact that I don’t see you or the team as egocentrical people, you are all working really hard to deliver great things, and I have always maintained that. So it was feet surprising to see a very ‘ME’ oriented post.

                And I think it is great that other people have informed you about it, clearly that helped which is good. On the part of the “known wedding photographers” I discovered that you sit weddings when you announced the coming of the DVD :). This might be because I am in europe though. thus my surprise again.

                Appreciate the fact of discussing thoughts, this is how things evolve .

                Thanks again for your thoughts, and have a nice day. :)

              • http://twitter.com/phong_thai Phong Thai

                I never understood guys that steal images and claim it as their own…I mean just learn proper lighting on your own and go out and do you own thing. Saving to get your DVD by the way…

              • http://twitter.com/PhilipGoff Philip Goff

                Couldn’t help but feel a little angry for you, but well said and very well handled!

              • 0987andrew

                Lee, Really sorry you let him continue scamming people. You weren’t the real victim, the victims are the people paying thousands for work he can’t deliver. I know these scammers and his lesson from you was to be more careful about stealing high profile images. I see too many people paying big cash to great marketers only to get garbage in return. 

              • http://www.facebook.com/jose.stelluti José Miguel Stelluti

                Yes a free DVD!!!!!!!!! jajajajajaja All photographers have some ego because photography is among other things, the relationship of the photographic eye, and creativity to make a picture, being a profession and lifestyle creative authorship will always be something that we keep with suspicion. It is normal to show some ego Lee has the wins to back it up. I admire you for how you took everything. Hey if you’re feeling kind of gifting a DVD, Sign me in your list, one for Venezuela!!

              • http://www.chrisburke.ca Chris Burke

                He clearly knows your onto him now, as he’s started to remove his ads and sites.. When asked why he was stealing images from one of the most popular photography sites in the world he told me “There are no stolen pictures. Don’t you think if they were, someone would have done something about it.” So I told him to maybe check out fstoppers”.. Minutes later his ads were deleted

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Albert-Lui/26800480 Albert Lui

                Taken! “I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you are looking for ‘business’, I can tell you I don’t have ‘clients for you’. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my ‘pictures’ go now, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ‘write an article explaining how upset I am at’ you. ” – Lee Morris :-X

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/M4P7IQFFBAYISLHN2G7X33DDPA DB

                Lee,
                The website is great. But to be honest. You seem a smug prick. Even your silly picture on the banner ad stuff comes off as brash. You’re better than that man. Your work is amazing, let it show your confidence

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=621275321 Joshua Nyenhuis

                First class Lee Moris.  Thank you for your hard work and dedication to the profession.

              • http://www.facebook.com/shannon.wimberly1 Shannon Wimberly

                i think you may have been too easy on him…. but thats only my opinion….. i hate the overuse of litigation, but sometimes people don’t learn from just a slap on the hand……. just my opinion, and ditto Joshua Nyenhuis…… you are first class, Lee.

              • http://www.patrickhallphotography.com Patrick Hall

                Wait, you know the guy?  I think Lee has already had a response back from him

              • http://twitter.com/georgesocka George Socka

                if Lee’s wern’t better than John’s, then John woudl not have ripped lee off. If they weren’t the best on the web, John woudl have ripped off someone else.

              • http://www.patrickhallphotography.com Patrick Hall

                Hmmmm….and to think, all the writer’s were just saying how Lee is the nicest, down to earth guy they’ve ever met. 

              • http://www.chrisburke.ca Chris Burke

                I dont “know him” … It wasnt to hard to find his ads, and then his site.. The Internet is a wonderful thing if you know how to use it! I’m just glad he’s been found out, and that he’s taking the sites down!

              • http://www.facebook.com/dknafo Daniel Knafo

                Best part is how you used this to advertise your video twice:) You are a marketing genius. I am not even being sarcastic. well done:)

              • http://www.facebook.com/david.crockett.71 David Crockett

                I have the problem of posting a shot that’s never been done around my area before in San Antonio, and then several months later find almost identical shots on other local wedding photographer’s websites. Hummmmm. One of the biggest photographers in the area routinely tries to keep up with my shots and website style. Over the past year, his site has become more and more like mine in design and I see shots almost identical to ones I’ve shot way before him in the same location and almost exact same pose. If he’s reading this, he knows who he is! I’m more flattered than anything!

              • Mike Preimesberger

                Well since everyone has comment on this post, the culprit might as well too. First off what I did was a bonehead and foolish thing to do. Stealing is absolutely the wrong thing to do, and and I was stupid enough to have done it. Secondly, although I have already apologized to Lee personally, I feel I have to do it publicly as well. To Lee I am once again sorry for doing this and I can assure you and other photographers that this will never happen again. I will not post my reasons for doing so, but I can tell you Lee is completely understanding of what and why. To other photogs that have been affected by this I want to say I am sorry for my actions as well. By doing these things I have subject the industry to be looked frowned upon. I know there are others out there that are or have done what I did. With encouraging words from Lee last night I intend to go on and pursue my career as a photographer, with my own pictures. Everything that has been said on here I have felt conviction and am I deeply angry at myself for the stealing I have taken everything that was said within these comments and I am going to use them to better myself not only as a photographer but as a person. I will also pray and believe that I can go on and try to run a successful business. Once again I am truly sorry to all of the true professionals out there, maybe one day I can rise up and be in your category  but I know I have a long way before I get there. 

                Thank you and God Bless.

                Mike

              • http://www.chrisburke.ca Chris Burke

                Sadly this is only morally wrong.. Not legally

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=524288146 Matt Palmer

                So what was his explanation? Fascinating…

              • http://twitter.com/grimmywest grimmywest

                wow, very brave for you to come out and take responsibility. we learn from our mistakes and although you started on a bad foot with Lee, I am sure you will benefit from the encounter more than you will suffer retribution. best of luck in the future

              • http://www.facebook.com/troy.s.louis Troy St. Louis

                Good job Lee.  There is so much of this going around.  Awesome DVD by the way!

              • http://www.facebook.com/markal.firenzi Markal Firenzi

                tar and feather.

              • MissyTz

                Kudos to Lee for taking the high road, I can’t say I would do the same because I didn’t.

                I’m a writer and I had a similar issue a few years back with someone stealing some of my writing off my social media page and putting it on theirs. The girl, who I’ll call “Jane”, was an acquaintance of a good friend of mine. She sent me a friend request and I generally don’t add people I don’t know, but after asking our mutual friend, they said Jane was harmless so I decided to add her. After leaving a few creepy posts on my friends page I decided to check out her social media page and found paragraphs of my writing, word for word, splattered all over her page.

                I immediately called her out and she apologized profusely. But being a writer, obviously plagiarism is my achilles heel so I told her to take my writing off her page, to never contact me again and I eventually ended up blocking her from my profile. I wasn’t as understanding as Lee because I felt her apology was only because I caught her in a lie and less of having actual remorse for what she had done.

                I’ll never understand why people do things like this because at some point in time, whether you’re a photographer or a writer, you’re going to be put in a position to prove your work. And what happens then?

              • http://www.chrisburke.ca Chris Burke

                While I am one who is in favor of grace, I do (somewhat) agree with what you’re saying. I’ve talked with Mike personally, because of my job… It’s a job that involves grace (put 2 and 2 together you’ll figure it out).. Anyway, he and I have been talking, and I do believe he is sorry…

                But like your writing situation would he be saying he was sorry had he not gotten caught, I don’t know, though perhaps it was bothering him at his core, I know if I had of done something like this, though i never would, even had I not been caught, my conscious would have been killing me.. I can’t speak for Mike as to whether his conscious was bothering him, but, now that he has been caught, I do believe that he is sorry.. And Lee does too.. And since Lee is the only person this affects, I don’t think any of us need to concern ourselves with it.

                It’s Lees situation, not ours, just like your writing situation was your situation and you wouldn’t have wanted others to get involved… You dealt with it, in your way, Lee has dealt with it in his way.. he clearly has a lot of grace, and he should be commended for that, not condemned..

                I know grace is not a common thing in 2013, but there are some (though very few) people in this world who believe in it, and perhaps at some point in his life, Lee was shown grace, and that’s why he was willing to show Mike grace.

                All this to say, this is Lees’ battle, who are we to try and tell him how he should deal with it??

              • MissyTz

                I don’t see anything in my earlier post about condemning Lee for his actions, especially when the first sentence of my post is giving him kudos for taking the high road. So I’m not quite sure where you got the idea that I was admonishing him on how he handled the situation with Mike.

                And there’s also nothing in my earlier post about telling or lecturing Lee on handling that situation differently. It was all about my encounter with plagiarism. 

                Yes it was Lee’s situation, not anybody else’s, but he chose to put it on a public forum that allowed people to comment on his story so of course people are going to express their opinions. I haven’t gone through the entire thread but from what I’ve read I don’t see anyone lecturing or criticizing Lee for how he handled the situation. I’ve seen nothing but support here.

              • http://www.chrisburke.ca Chris Burke

                sorry. i wasnt clear… you werent condeming Lee.. I replied to you, because I agreed with much of what you said.. but i can see how you would think i was implying that you were condeming him.. my bad.. if you read through the posts, many people ARE condemning him for how he is handling it.. they are saying he should be sueing him, and that its just showing people that if they want a free dvd they should just steal from him etc.. lots of people seem mad about the grace Lee is showing..

                Im actually very impressed by Lees response and the grace he is showing.. I actually used this very story as an object lesson this morning in my sermon.. about how the world wants us all to sue at every chance we get, but that we are shown grace.. like Lee gave Grace to Mike, even though he did’t deserve it.. but hey… im guessing this site has a rule about theological talk, so i’ll stop there.. just know Lee that you inspired me and I used this story in a sermon today!

              • http://www.facebook.com/brettbenham Brett Benham

                Agree to disagree :)

              • http://www.facebook.com/brettbenham Brett Benham

                That didn’t come off as egocentric at all to me. Some people must be reading it with the wrong tone in their head. 

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