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              August 28, 2012
              Lauren Jonas

              Why ‘Morning After’ Boudoir Photography is Absurd (NSFW)

              A new “trend” seems to have rolled into the photography world. What is this trend? It’s called the “morning after” wedding photography session, and to me it’s a little absurd.

              So you already know my opinion on this subject, yet the rational part of my mind is still able to diverge the topic in two somewhat logical paths (even the path that I think is absurd):

              1) If I were the bride and groom getting the images done, I wouldn’t care what anyone else thought because clearly I am are already vain in the first place. I obviously see the need to have photo documentation right after I’ve consummated my marriage. This is important – my ruffled and unkempt hair, smeared makeup, disheveled sheets, clothes strewn everywhere. My ass is hanging out of my scantily clad “bride” underwear. Now that is a work of art.

              2) But let’s get real: Do I really need images of this? What is the point of having them? Nowadays the only reason us of this present generation take pictures of ourselves is to share online – more importantly, Facebook. Facebook is heavily, and somewhat unhealthily, ingrained in our lives- don’t deny it. It IS the ultimate scrapbook. Scrapbooking places we’ve eaten, friends we met, places we’ve gone, and epic parties that we’ve been too. We even use Facebook to validate marriage. Now all of a sudden the new trend is to document where and how many times we’ve had sex? I bet Mark Zuckerberg never saw that coming.

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              An article in Jezebel that originally discussed this topic references an image of Kate moss and her husband Jamie Hince. Despite my previous tirade, I have no problem with Kate moss doing this. I feel like the standard is completely different for celebrities, as they are in front of the lens 95% of their lives. It was probably impossible for them to keep the images to themselves in the first place because 1) they are narcissists at their finest and 2) they make money and remain in the spotlight by releasing the photos to the press.

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              In this video from Good Morning America, the bride states she plans to have the images framed and put up all over their room. I honestly don’t see anything wrong with doing that – your bedroom should be your sacred place for just the two of you. The room and all its decorations are just for you and your significant other. What I can’t grasp is why you would want something so sacred to be strewn all over the internet for your coworkers, perhaps boss, friends, and relatives to see. One of the couples stated they were so delighted with the results of the shoot, they posted the photos on Facebook and said they were going to show their children when they were old enough. You don’t want to see mommy and daddy gettin’ it on, why the hell do you think they want to see YOU doing that? They got the images taken because they want to show everyone how in love they were? Isn’t that the reason for wedding photography in the first place?

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              I think some of these images can prove to be tasteful and sweet, but an image of you and your significant other lying naked all over the dining room table is way over the top. Just imagine your relatives getting a hold of this image knowing they’re about to come over for Thanksgiving dinner. I’m pretty sure they just want to eat their meal and not have to think about the two of you having sex all over the house. Sure, maybe in the image weren’t actually having sex but who is to say you haven’t before or will later down the road. I’m no prude but this should all be kept private!

              All images © Michelle Jonne

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              • http://twitter.com/spazmann Yohan Vervatwala

                By far the best (and hilarious) article on Fstoppers I have read! 

              • http://tambnguyen.com/ Tam Nguyen Photography

                This is a tad off topic, but I seriously hate it when looking at a wedding photographer’s work and see it mixed with boudoir stuff. I mean, just imagine what your clients would think. They’re brides-to-be and checking out some of the most gorgeous stylized wedding setups with fun and joyful faces, and all of sudden all they see is half naked chicks with boobs and ass hanging out. Very distasteful IMO.

                /endrant

              • https://twitter.com/#!/thelonelylights Adam Cross

                in your opinion it’s distasteful – but to others it’s just work – it’s what pays the bills and showcasing that working isn’t distasteful.

              • https://twitter.com/#!/thelonelylights Adam Cross

                blah – what a middle-american article.

              • https://twitter.com/#!/thelonelylights Adam Cross

                Also – you’ve got Terry Richardson (the photographer) mixed up with Jamie Hince (the husband), I would be very worried indeed if Kate Moss were married to Terry Richardson

              • http://tambnguyen.com/ Tam Nguyen Photography

                I was kinda shocked to read that too, but didn’t care enough to look it up.

              • http://tambnguyen.com/ Tam Nguyen Photography

                No, I mean to mix boudoir work with wedding work is distasteful. I have absolutely no problem with either types of photography; just those 2 when put in the same portfolio.

              • http://www.laurenjonasphotography.com/ Lauren Jonas

                clearly had that mixed up – thanks! 

              • JabariHunt

                Maybe one day we’ll shake this high and might holier-than-thou puritan thinking. It seems today is not the day though. ;-/

              • http://www.facebook.com/hiroschneider Jaron Schneider

                If that’s what you think this was, you either didn’t read the whole article, or you didn’t get the point.

              • AlphaValues

                Can we please have more articles about photography and less op-ed pieces from the office manager?

              • http://twitter.com/albertzablit Albert Zablit

                wow, you’re ranting. Good for you.

              • JabariHunt

                If that’s what you think this WASN’T, you either didn’t read the whole article, or you didn’t get the point.

              • http://www.facebook.com/eric.filson Eric Filson

                Sorry but this article is total crap… People have eluded to this above but, I’m just going to come out and say it. This is NOT what I visit FS for. This article has no value to anyone and read like a (to combine some excellent posts from above) puritanical influenced middle-american opinion piece. It could have just read, “Don’t post your sexy pics on the Internet or leave them in public places (unless you want to)…

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZQTKXB6TSX73M67XSUR7UYDNU Vic

                I’m kind of disappointed by this article. To lambast a couple for wanting to have photos done together, regardless of when it takes place (ie, after the wedding, after a hurricane, after shopping, WHENEVER), is just silly. Fstoppers ran an article recently about a model shoot featuring “abused” models. Another article about “reproductions of serial killer’s last meals”. You don’t question the need for those, yet you question an extension of couples boudoir? 

                Isn’t a LARGE PART of photography about vanity, when we’re hiring a photographer to photograph ourselves? This article just comes across as written by a prude, rather than a critic of art. If you’re afraid of a little boobs’n'butts, you’re in the wrong industry. 

              • http://www.laurenjonasphotography.com/ Lauren Jonas

                So because I manage our writing staff, manage our sponsors, handle invoicing and day to day operations, and am a working wedding photographer, I’m not capable of forming a coherent editorial on a subject I come into contact with on a daily basis? You’re totally right. 

              • http://twitter.com/PatDownsPhotos Patrick Downs

                Use a self-timer. Otherwise, gross.

              • http://www.facebook.com/kaitjaouen Kait Jaouen

                I was totally with you until I noticed that you don’t know the difference between “there” “their” and “they’re”…. you definitely just lost a reader. I can’t stand that. If you are passing yourself off as  a writer to be taken seriously, you should get that in CHECK

              • amanduca

                Jesus, what a bunch of crap. I have to wholeheartedly disagree with this “opinion piece”… The thinking is very conservative, close-minded, and ignorant. I’m totally going to look into adding this type of service to my a la carte menu. What an awesome idea. I believe the author really needs to stop drinking the haterade and possibly get some action or romance in their life to compensate for this bitter and haughty victorian attitude towards sex. Especially when it’s not like casual, irresponsible sex.. but the sex b/w two people in the most amount of love they will probably ever be. 

              • theredheadd

                I have 3 words for people who think this is a good idea:  Tripod and remote.

              • http://www.themanginos.com Reed

                Don’t bother with Jaron. He only posts to put others down. And heaven forbid you disagree with him.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15915653 Mike Newton

                Wow, I don’t regularly chime in here but you sound completely biased and personally hateful on this topic.  Just from a writers standpoint this sounds like you have some kind of personal agenda, experience, or story behind your fuming article.  This doesn’t add any value to any photographer or viewer on Fstoppers.  Who are you to pass judgement on a new photo trend?  There is nothing wrong with an opionion as long as you state it as that- not make a sweeping judgement that this entire style of photography is wrong or needs to go away.  I can’t stand traditional/standard/boring wedding photos or family photos but it keeps many photographers working.  I’m glad these photographers are creating a new monetization point in their business instead of acting emotionally like you have done.  If you don’t like it, don’t shoot it.  

                Lets start bitching next about food photos on instagram…

              • http://twitter.com/RndmThtz Jason Kustra

                You are most definitely a prude. You are also being very judgemental of something that clearly doesn’t affect your target market.
                Whatever the client wants, there will most certainly be someone willing to take pictures of it and get paid for doing so. For you to say that a bride is “vain and self-loving” for wanting steamy photos of herself and the one she loves is honestly horrible and downright nasty.As for some critique of your portfolio, I find out-of-focus, grainy, shots with crooked horizons to be more offensive since your clients probably paid you for your time.

              • http://www.themanginos.com Reed

                I remember when Joel Grimes first starting sharing his edgy, three light composite work and photographers everywhere shouted from the treetops that it wasn’t really photography. If people want this “day after” stuff then so be it – who the hell are we (and by “we” I mean Lauren) to judge?             

              • Rhegan Lundborg

                I agree with you completely. The couple is the one who wants this shoot, who pays for this shoot, and if a photographer out there can capture exactly what they’re looking for and add their own creativity in, then why the hell not? I’d look to do something like this for a picture above my bed, but probably would not post them online…but if you want to, why the hell not? These images weren’t even distasteful. They’re not porn. Everyone was covered (except for Kate’s boob). The couple seems to be in love and having fun…great work of the photographer for capturing this.

              • http://www.rlmorris.com Lee Morris

                I think this OPINION piece is just that, a funny, amusing opinion. I didn’t know Lauren was writing this but I enjoyed it and I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts of it. It’s fine if you disagree completely but to claim that she doesn’t have the right to write it or that “this isn’t why I come to Fstoppers” is going a bit far. If you don’t like articles like this we have so much other content to choose from. We are trying to produce content for a massive audience with different opinions and views of “what FS should be” and that means that nobody will like everything we post. Even I don’t.  

              • http://twitter.com/Egidi Tilen Markelj

                Their life, their choice. I do not see how this is in anyway harmful to photographers. People have different prospects of privacy. If you don’t like the concept of the images, don’t look them up, don’t offer to shoot them, easy as that.    

              • http://www.facebook.com/trentchau Trent Chau

                This article has taught me that when I have sex with my bride the day after, there’s a 95% chance all I’m gonna see is black and white.

              • Rhegan Lundborg

                I think that’s precisely what Adam was saying was okay. I’m not going to have two separate websites for two different kinds of photography. It’s my work and I’ll put it all together. If a client sees that and doesn’t like it, it’s probably the type of person I don’t want to work with. All my work is going on a website to showcase the different things I enjoy photographing…but to each their own.

              • http://www.facebook.com/1Torca Chris Thorn

                I believe it’s been said already but it bears repeating.
                A) We as photographers should never criticize anothers work based on our personal opinion. As artists, we should be above this.
                B) Fstoppers has become more opinionated as of lately and less informative…which I believe gave you the popularity that you CURRENTLY enjoy. Please go back to what made you one of the best photography forums out there.

                Lauren, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that this rant was more off the cuff than intended, because I usually enjoy your posts.

              • TWilson42

                Are you serious? Clearly not, you said “haterade”. The whole beauty and power of sex – lovemaking, raunchy sex, make up sex, fetish, what-have-you –  is that it’s an intimate, real experience and connection between two people, whatever the nature of the connection. When you introduce a third party with a camera, lens, strobes, assistant, and artistic direction, you completely and totally alter the reality of the situation. To have real life people posing and faking their intimate relationship, acting “in it” while making sure to tuck their cellulite and stay at the right angle with the light and photographer, it makes a mockery of that experience. And when you start “selling” that sort of real and personal experience to the world as a projection of your personal life via Facebook… it’s the ultimate, pathetic cry for attention and self-validation. 

              • http://www.rlmorris.com Lee Morris

                How does someone saying they think putting “morning after” pictures on Facebook is gross (not the pictures themselves) warrant you to attack their non-related professional work? I’m fine with people disagreeing with an opinion but these personal attacks are absurd. We don’t want to start moderating comments but if stuff like this continues we will have to. 

              • http://www.themanginos.com Reed

                Lee, with all due respect (of which I have a great deal) many forms of wedding photography is all about people being narcissistic. It stopped being just a means of recording a special day a long time ago.

                Lauren’s piece is radically different than 99% of FS’s stuff. Criticize a technique or equipment if you like… but I highly doubt that dissing someone else’s work/taste is something any FS reader want to see.

                I am sure Lauren has a personal blog where she can share her personal opinions.

              • http://twitter.com/RndmThtz Jason Kustra

                Can you please elaborate on how you come in contact with this subject on a daily basis? Is there some hotline I don’t know about where people are turned in for wanting to look sexy together as bride and groom?

                Or are you getting a lot of requests to do this type of work? If this is the case, maybe you should consider the money making opportunity you’re turning your nose up at. Maybe you should subcontract to a different photographer who wouldn’t mind shooting this stuff and you both can profit from it?

              • http://www.rlmorris.com Lee Morris

                I agree 100% that ”many forms of wedding photography is all about people being narcissistic” and if you wrote an entertaining article about that I would publish that to. My biggest complaint about this article was that Lauren seemed a bit harsh towards the people who do want these pictures BUT I don’t think it had to do with the pictures themselves but rather with sharing these personal pictures with the world on Facebook, or with your friends, or in one case your children. 

                Why don’t you write a respectful counter argument article and I will post it tomorrow?

              • jasonw8photo

                Well, common decency has gone the way of common sense–it’s just not very common.  But no surprises there.  I love the way photographers use their trade to justify certain subjects in the name of “art.”  

                The question was:  Do I really need images of this?  The answer is no.  So stop posting them.  Sex between two people can be amazing–for the two people.  But nobody else needs to be brought into the equation.  

                Everyone here has an opinion on this subject.  The author has her’s and she was merely stating it.  It never hurts to hear somebody else’s opinion, so try to stay more open-minded.  

                Personally, I don’t need to see another couple making love on FStoppers any more than I need to see three topless women with their pants unzipped.  It cheapens the whole thing and I don’t find much beauty in it.                 

              • John Barduhn

                Couldn’t agree more. While many time FStoppers has brought up controversial topics, it’s usually in the vein of “what do you think?”, or “leave your thoughts in the comments” – This is vastly different from those articles.  

                I’d be quite angry if I was the photographer whose work is featured along with this disparaging article and non constructive criticism. 

                JB

              • http://twitter.com/RayannaMay Rayanna Tremblay

                As much as I would like to leave this issue and this piece as what it is an OPINION piece (opinions are neither right nor wrong as long as you can support them) and it is clearly stated at the beginning of the article that it is things like this and the “abused model” piece that was listed above are important. I am both a photographer and a teacher. As a teacher I am expected to have some knowledge about not only the process of teaching but also the issues and movements within the profession. As photographers we are expected to know the process of taking pictures, so should we also not have some social awareness of what is happening around in the photography world? I thank F-stoppers for showing both sides of this. While I only half agree with the article, that is MY OPINION, I value reading what others in the photography world think about it. Thank you for writing this article and for the valuable non-demeaning comments people shared on their opinions.  

              • http://www.themanginos.com Reed

                Again, I totally disagree. I don’t like seeing my friend’s wives/girlfriends in “boudoir” shots but I don’t criticize the couple or their photographer.

              • http://twitter.com/ElleEmDee Leah Duck

                After reading the article, it sounds as if your real problem is with sharing them on facebook rather than having the photos taken. Your headline leads people to think otherwise. With that said, I agree that people shouldn’t be posting such intimate photos of themselves anywhere that takes away from that intimacy. I, however, applaud couples that are confident enough in their bodies and their love life to get those type of photos done. I’m willing to bet that those couples have a pretty great sex life because they are willing to be open and comfortable with who they are.

              • http://www.rlmorris.com Lee Morris

                I think I got a totally different opinion out of this than most of you. I thought Lauren was trying to say there is nothing wrong with the pictures but she just doesn’t like SHARING them:
                “the bride states she plans to have the images framed and put up all over their room. I honestly don’t see anything wrong with doing that – your bedroom should be your sacred place for just the two of you. The room and all its decorations are just for you and your significant other. What I can’t grasp is why you would want something so sacred to be strewn all over the internet for your coworkers, perhaps boss, friends, and relatives to see.”

              • TWilson42

                I think the “subject” she was talking about was photography. Portrait photography, if you want to get specific.

              • http://www.themanginos.com Reed

                I appreciate that Lee. It was not my intention, in *any* way, to come across as disrespectful to either Lauren, you, or FS. If it was taken that way, I apologize.

                No counter argument is required – I believe everything has been covered in this thread. What people choose to photograph is the concern of the couple and their photographer. I can’t think of, off the top of my head anyway, another genre of photography that has been portrayed in such a negative light by an FS writer.

                By the way, in a former life I was a software engineer on the iPhone team at Apple. Your shots Lee were one of the main reasons I went into photography.

              • http://twitter.com/RndmThtz Jason Kustra

                I think if you had read the article you would find that it is based on (9) pictures from possibly (2) couples? To put up their faces and call them out for being trashy or whatever other words were used seems like quite a personal attack to me. She posted the couples and the video of the couples and the photographer. That seemed attack-ish to me.

                I don’t care about the writer’s opinion of posting this stuff on facebook. People put onto the internet as much as they want people to see in their lives. They may not always look down the road at the potential consequences but that is their choice.

                My thoughts on the bad photography/grammar are just opinions so please don’t get offended.

              • flyrcairplanes

                I love it when people accuse someone of being judgmental and then judge the person harshly.  Almost as good as calling someone a hater and then spewing hatred.  Always makes me laugh at how unaware we are (myself included).  Everybody lighten up

              • http://www.facebook.com/eric.filson Eric Filson

                Lee, being the one that wrote,
                “this isn’t why I come to Fstoppers”. I have to stand by my statement. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE FStoppers. I read every article. But Op-Ed pieces that rip on what other people find appealing (just because it’s different) is NOT the type of article I want to read on FStoppers. In fact, I put this in the category with other things that are “wrong with the world”. People think that other peoples’ taste or opinion is improper or incorrect or … put any other word you’d like on it (including sinful)… and they want to put an end to it. There is nothing wrong with someone else’s taste just because it doesn’t fall inline with your own and there is no reason to “put a stop to it”. 

              • Bob S

                I’m ambivalent about this.  I do think it’s an extension of societal narcissism but isn’t all photography (for our paying clients, at least)?  

                On the other hand, while I’m no prude and far from it, it does seem ‘too much’ and not …… genuine.  Taking pictures of the ceremony itself in a documentary style is awesome.  Best pictures I’ve ever taken are that way.  You NEVER know what you are going to end up with.

                Morning after boudoir just smacks of something desperate to me.  Kudos to the photographer for getting the commission and the gig but when I think of the morning after of my wedding as I lay there with my wife next to me as I drank coffee and nursed a slight hangover the last thing I would have wanted was to shave/shower/etc for a shoot…. 

                It seems vain.  It seems hollow.  It seems ….. cheap?

              • Bob S

                I’m ambivalent about this.  I do think it’s an extension of societal narcissism but isn’t all photography (for our paying clients, at least)?  

                On the other hand, while I’m no prude and far from it, it does seem ‘too much’ and not …… genuine.  Taking pictures of the ceremony itself in a documentary style is awesome.  Best pictures I’ve ever taken are that way.  You NEVER know what you are going to end up with.

                Morning after boudoir just smacks of something desperate to me.  Kudos to the photographer for getting the commission and the gig but when I think of the morning after of my wedding as I lay there with my wife next to me as I drank coffee and nursed a slight hangover the last thing I would have wanted was to shave/shower/etc for a shoot…. 

                It seems vain.  It seems hollow.  It seems ….. cheap?

              • AlphaValues

                 Good point, and taken. Allow me to offer a corrected version of my original comment:
                 
                  Can we please have more articles about photography and less op-ed pieces?

              • AlphaValues

                 Good point, and taken. Allow me to offer a corrected version of my original comment:
                 
                  Can we please have more articles about photography and less op-ed pieces?

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