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It still doesn\u0027t change anything. The FACT is that you can be a photographer and a digital artist, and you can be one or the other, but they are still not the same thing when you boil it down to it\u0027s finer parts. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThere are lots of examples of people who take not that great photos, and will never be considered great photographers in the purist sense, but they make \u0022good\u0022 photos to lots of people BECAUSE of their editing, so at what point does the alteration\/manipulation\/editing take over as the primary art form? And when it does, is it really simply a \u0022photograph\u0022 anymore? No. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EYou can impress me with both, but since I\u0027m far more interested in photography, then it will personally impress me far more to see someone making amazing photographs that have as little editing and manipulation as possible. And that (to me) is what it\u0027s all about. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe lines can be blurred between art forms, but when you break it down - they still fall within certain boundaries. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThat\u0027s why some people might be complaining, and it\u0027s a distinction I\u0027d love to be made more often on sites like this. I\u0027d rather look at more photography that has more to do with the original capture than with adding things in later, taking things out and creating the actual LOOK of the photo in a computer. And let\u0027s be honest, a lot of that is what IS on this site. It\u0027s just not for me. I\u0027m not a snob, I love film, I have digital cameras, I love photography. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E***Anyone wanting to take that argument route is silly, but I believe that we should be focusing on light\/vision\/creativity, and not gear and editing techniques. Seems so backwards. Subtle is the best, and you will be a better photographer if you can capture what is really in front of you in ways that others cannot, it will never impress me to see how someone edited something into what was not really there beyond recognition. We have been editing, dodging and burning and removing stuff since.... forever, but is dodging and burning really the same as half the crap you see on this site or Flickr? Uh. No. No.......*** \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EDo what makes you happy, call it whatever you want ..... almost, but don\u0027t call that other stuff simply photography, call it something else. 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class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378846740\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 4:59 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EAs a film photographer (the you vs. me thing is so childish and old, photography is photography) I love not editing my photos. Slight tweaks in contrast and removing of small blemishes if the make up artist did not, is all that I like to do. Is it editing? Yes. Does it very closely represent what was captured by myself with the camera? Yes. Digital obviously has the potential, just as any medium does, to do this. Matters not. But start moving away from that and you\u0027ve lost me. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI find security and comfort in the fact that I need to go out, shoot what I see in my head and find a way to make it occur in real life and take the photo. I used to do lots of editing to my work two years ago, but it felt soulless (to me) and I gave it up. 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class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/8c991025677747e24af7b252716fc086.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022Matthew Walker avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378847400\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003EMatthew Walker\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71695\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378847400\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 5:10 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EThe problem here as that everyone in this day and age will argue about ANYTHING over the internet.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 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\/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378877040\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003ERen Faustino III\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71712\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378877040\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 1:24 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003Eagreed... its quite ridiculous really..\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv 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data-livestamp=\u00221378849620\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 5:47 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI think this debate is often rooted in the economic pressures that the photography business has come under since the democratization of the technical ability to take a good photograph\u003Cbr\u003E\n(technically). I hear many photographers lament and criticize Photoshop which\u003Cbr\u003E\nwill often be veiled under the \u0022retouching\u0022 argument in how they hate\u003Cbr\u003E\nthe reprocessed look, or how you don\u2019t need Photoshop if you get it right in\u003Cbr\u003E\ncamera. Reality is they havent imporved their skill set and they all come running to Lightroom.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EMany have stated before including, Mr. Adams, that great photographs are made. Too some that includes the use of tools at hand in a process long after the shutter has been clicked. I think\u003Cbr\u003E\nanyone who has spent time in Photoshop works harder to get things right in camera\u003Cbr\u003E\nas much as possible anyway.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWhat really matters is what your audience or your client want. It matters not if it\u2019s overly retouched to your opinion, to dark, etc it\u2019s all subjective so you either answer to your client (commercially or consumer) or your inner artist.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ELet\u2019s look at the real pressure. Even through the late 90\u0027s and early part of the 21st century people would pay a premium for a \u0022good photographer\u0022. Allot were still shooting film\u003Cbr\u003E\nand to take a decent picture, you really needed to work with someone that had\u003Cbr\u003E\nthe technically ability to get a solid exposure in variety of environments.\u003Cbr\u003E\nThat was a worth a good value in and of itself.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EToday technology has made it possible for everyone to get a good technical exposure, and as such the \u0022the technical value\u0022 associated with Photography as declined like rocket. With the new economic environment everyone has also been put under increasing pressure to do more for\u003Cbr\u003E\nless. This means that photographers need to get better at retouching and working\u003Cbr\u003E\nwith video. Video people need to get adept at software and editing and in reality\u003Cbr\u003E\nwe will all be scrambling to learn 3D modeling in the next few years. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIn today\u2019s market, skill set with the new tools helps you to differentiate yourself whether you\u2019re shooting senior portraits or the next Ford campaign. It\u2019s true that photography and the\u003Cbr\u003E\nvisual arts have never been bigger with tens of millions of images uploaded to\u003Cbr\u003E\nFlicker and Youtube each day not to mention the droves of people coming into\u003Cbr\u003E\nthe digital visual medium. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ETo survive you must differentiate through the use of tools because Uncle Bob, a guy with camera (GWC) happens to know allot of Photoshop, has his Alien Bee lights, and can take some pretty dam good pictures for Sam, the local landscaper, in exchange for a case of beer. In\u003Cbr\u003E\naddition Bob\u0027s daughter who is graduating high school, has been taking Photoshop\u003Cbr\u003E\nin school for over 3 years, just started her own photography business and dabbling in Aftereffects. 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class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-71699 comment js-comment by-anonymous\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__content\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cheader class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/0f3fe53f5f824fb013a02bfb94abf284.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022zeptom avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378850880\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003Ezeptom\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71699\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378850880\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 6:08 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003ESo a writer that use a text-editor it\u0027s a real writer or an architect that use cad isn\u0027t a real architect?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown 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comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHi Andrew....Since you used a quote from one of my previous posts, I felt obligated to add a bit more clarity to it. First of all, Fstoppers is Bohemia. Bohemia is a place where anybody can have an opinions about the arts, but they don\u0027t actually need any real experience in the arts. Unfortunately, this creates an environment where people can easily be susceptible for falling into controversies that don\u0027t actually exist in the proper arts.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EDigital imaging is a separate medium from photography. This is a non-controversy in the proper arts. The reason is because photography must be directly connected to it\u0027s object. Meanwhile, digital imaging does not have to be directly connected to it\u0027s object. What is specific to photography as a medium is the ability to directly represent or denote an object. But, that also means that photography is always chained to it\u0027s object. Meanwhile, digital is not chained to it\u0027s object so it is free to go beyond the object to create fictions and fantasies. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIn literary terms, photography is non-fiction while digital is fiction and fantasy. The so-called \u0022purists\u0022 working in digital are NOT creating non-fictions like film photographers of the past era. On the contrary, they are creating \u0022believable\u0022 fictions. Meanwhile, the non-purists working in digital are creating fantasies.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Efilm = non-fiction \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Edigital purism = believable fiction \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Edigital non-purism = fantasy\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe people that are working in digital imaging should stop defending themselves according to the non-fiction standards that are associated with film photography. Instead, they should embrace the fact that they are working in a brand new medium that is no longer limited to denoting actual real objects. Digital imagers are free to create their own objects, fictions and fantasies.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnybody that wants to work in digital and also to avoid being criticized for things like retouching etc should stop confusing his opponents by claiming to be a photographer. Instead, he should just embrace the fact that he\u0027s working in a new medium and find some cool new name that applies to it. Then, all of the criticism of purism, and so on, that are related to film and non-fiction will go away.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E I\u0027m only writing this for the people that might need some help getting ouf of Bohemia and the controversies that endure there....For all the others, enjoy your stay!\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 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class=\u0022indented\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv data-comment-user-id=\u00220\u0022 id=\u0022comment-71721\u0022 class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-71721 comment js-comment by-anonymous\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__content\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cheader class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/05d3ff4312e80ac84277935ad1c029e7.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022Steve Rehberger avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378945740\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003ESteve Rehberger\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71721\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378945740\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 8:29 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/fstoppers.com\/post-production\/why-do-photographers-hate-photoshop-followup-3012#comment-71702\u0022 class=\u0022parent-author\u0022 title=\u0022In response to Mbutu Namubu\u0022\u003E \u003Cspan class=\u0022icon-reply svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 viewBox=\u00220 0 512 512\u0022\u003E\u003Cpath d=\u0022M205 34.8c11.5 5.1 19 16.6 19 29.2l0 64 112 0c97.2 0 176 78.8 176 176c0 113.3-81.5 163.9-100.2 174.1c-2.5 1.4-5.3 1.9-8.1 1.9c-10.9 0-19.7-8.9-19.7-19.7c0-7.5 4.3-14.4 9.8-19.5c9.4-8.8 22.2-26.4 22.2-56.7c0-53-43-96-96-96l-96 0 0 64c0 12.6-7.4 24.1-19 29.2s-25 3-34.4-5.4l-160-144C3.9 225.7 0 217.1 0 208s3.9-17.7 10.6-23.8l160-144c9.4-8.5 22.9-10.6 34.4-5.4z\u0022\/\u003E\u003C\/svg\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n Mbutu Namubu\u003C\/a\u003E\n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI could write a long winded rebuff...but instead I\u0027ll just state that you are so full of it.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Earrogant, presumptuous and egotistical\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv 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Yes it was a lot harder back then to use a camera, No doubt, But all his photos look like snap shots taken with a Iphone!! 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class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/e05e6ede1cc8ce7ee2315a538d216d4d.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022Graham Twomey avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378865340\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003EGraham Twomey\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71706\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378865340\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 10:09 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI do not really understand what \u0022getting it right in camera\u0022 means anymore? So If I take a 5D mark III and shoot JPG with a custom setting of adding sharpening, contrast, saturation ect or even heaven forbid shoot in camera HDR then touch it up in camera with some of the creative controls does this mean I am a purist and got it right in camera?\u003Cbr\u003E\nAlso what do people argue? Is it what the eye sees or what the camera sees? If I look at an object with a bright window behind it I can see both the object and what is outside with my eyes. If I take a shot of just the object and expose for it the window will be blown out. If expose for the window the object is now a silhouette. If I take a bracket and HDR the images I get much closer to what my eyes can truly see. Of coarse I could light the object to balance the light as well. Its works the same for a scenic image. I can see details in the shadow with my eyes that a camera can not pick up with out bracketing and merging. 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title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378866240\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 10:24 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHi, I am a photographer and I use photoshop. 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width=\u0022100\u0022 height=\u0022100\u0022 alt=\u0022User picture for Bruce Kaplan\u0022 \/\u003E\n\n\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378868820\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-43972\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EBruce Kaplan\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71708\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378868820\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 11:07 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI love Photoshop (and all of the creative plugins too). However, my problem is the time I spend manipulating the images vs. what my clients are willing to pay for the final product. I tend to spend way too much time in Photoshop and no one seems to really understand the real time involved (except other photographers). \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo recently, I have changed my pricing structure on my event photography. Now my pricing includes a few simple global adjustments in Lightroom on each image that I deliver. This takes a lot less time. Then, I charge per photo on any Photoshop adjustments as an additional service. I\u003Cbr\u003E\ndisclose the whole process up front to my clients with before and after examples. So far it has been working; time will tell is this is really a sound strategy.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 71708}}\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon-thumbs-up svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 viewBox=\u00220 0 512 512\u0022\u003E\u003Cpath d=\u0022M313.4 32.9c26 5.2 42.9 30.5 37.7 56.5l-2.3 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class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/ec1e4279abcd702f4e1c3948a0e3b03c.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022ewormuth avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378871460\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003Eewormuth\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71709\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 10, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378871460\u0022\u003ESeptember 10, 2013 - 11:51 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EMay I share a favorite quote from Edward Steichen, whom we probably can agree knew a little bit about pre-digital photography? \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E\u201cIt is rather amusing, this tendency of the wise to regard a print which has been locally manipulated as irrational photography \u2013 this tendency which finds an esthetic tone of expression in the word \u201cfaked\u201d . . . In fact, every photograph is a fake from start to finish, a purely impersonal, unmanipulated photograph being practically impossible. 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class=\u0022comment__content\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cheader class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-avatar\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022\/u\/user-84392\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img avatar-fallback image-style-square-small\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/89707e0534394b939291ba2b9adb5240.jpg?s=100\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u0022100\u0022 height=\u0022100\u0022 alt=\u0022User picture for Brian Bray\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378882860\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-84392\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EBrian Bray\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71713\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378882860\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 3:01 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EYou just know that at the dawn of photography there was a group of insecure painters claiming that cameras were for people who couldn\u0027t get it right on canvas.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n 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class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI\u0027m sure of it. And people like Steichen (above), Stieglitz, and so on, were very concerned about elevating themselves above \u0022ordinary\u0022 people who were able to buy mass-produced Kodak cameras in the early 1900\u0027s. 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class=\u0022username\u0022\u003ETrevor Schneider\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71717\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378889340\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 4:49 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI had to put my two cents in here. As a past film shooter that was\u003Cbr\u003E\nforced to move to digital to keep up with market demand I disagree that\u003Cbr\u003E\ndigital photographers are not photographers. Film cameras capture light\u003Cbr\u003E\nas it enters the camera and records what it sees on the film. Digital\u003Cbr\u003E\ncameras capture light as it enters the camera.. but here is the\u003Cbr\u003E\nkicker...the sensor records what it thinks it sees! You have a computer\u003Cbr\u003E\ninterpreting what sometimes is inaccurate so therefore needs some\u003Cbr\u003E\nadjustment after the fact. If I could, I would still shoot weddings on\u003Cbr\u003E\nfilm. Customers demands have changed! I wouldn\u0027t say those shooting\u003Cbr\u003E\ndigital are not photographers. They can pose, give direction, work with\u003Cbr\u003E\nclients and make them happy with what they produce. Film photography is a\u003Cbr\u003E\n fine art, but photography is photography. If you make a living by\u003Cbr\u003E\ninstilling worthwhile moments in time, and love that you can do that for\u003Cbr\u003E\n the world. 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\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__content\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cheader class=\u0022comment__meta\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cspan class=\u0022avatar-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/cb3c5dc19cd8b6779c6b8bd7b3e72407.jpg?s=70\u0026amp;d=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.fstoppers.com%2Fdefault_images%2Fno-avatar_1.jpg\u0026amp;r=g\u0022 width=\u002270\u0022 height=\u002270\u0022 alt=\u0022sshoihet avatar\u0022 \/\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378894380\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Cspan rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username no-user\u0022\u003Esshoihet\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71718\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378894380\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 6:13 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI think there are a lot of photographers that are confused about what \u0022getting it right in the camera\u0022 means. I means capturing as much of the information from the scene as possible and that is just as true for film as it is for digital. On film, unless you shoot color reversal, or Polaroid, you don\u0027t get a completed image out of the camera, someone has to develop it and print it, whether it\u0027s you, Walmart or a pro lab. Very few people that did their own printing printed the negative \u0022straight\u0022 there was almost always some burning and dodging, and some kind of manipulation of the contrast.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EDigital is the same. If you were happy with the 1 hour lab then you\u0027re probably happy choosing the profiles that your camera has. If you wanted more than that in the film days, you probably want more than that now as well. Photoshop is not a way to fix what you got wrong in the camera, it\u0027s a continuation of the creative process, a way to get what you visualized when you pressed the shutter button. Sometimes your vision was more than what you saw at the time, sometimes it\u0027s a way of presenting the scene in a manner that\u0027s more \u0022real\u0022 than what the camera was able to record. The camera doesn\u0027t see the same as we do, sometimes some manipulation is required to reproduce what we saw.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI think there is a certain snobbishness that goes along with the \u0022get it right in the camera\u0022 crowd, the same ones that think you have to shoot manual to have full control of your camera or that think you should only have to shoot one image to get it right if you know what you\u0027re doing. In the end, it doesn\u0027t matter if you used a scene mode, if you did no post processing or if you spent hours to achieve the final product, all that matters is the end result. Not everyone is going to love every piece and that\u0027s the way art is. If you\u0027re working professionally, all that matters is that your client likes it. If you\u0027re selling your work and people are buying, it doesn\u0027t matter what anyone else thinks. If you\u0027re shooting for fun, for yourself, all that matters is that you enjoy your work.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThis kind of nonsense has always been going on, whether people were arguing that real photographers only used colour reversal or that if you were serious, you only used MF because 35mm was for amateurs.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, 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data-comment-timestamp=\u00221378923660\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-52429\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003ETasso Karpouzis\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71719\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Sep 11, 2013\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221378923660\u0022\u003ESeptember 11, 2013 - 2:21 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003Ei cannot believe only 2% dislike the creative cloud model.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv 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field--name-user-picture\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022\/u\/user-15036\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg class=\u0022avatar-img\u0022 data-gridzyignore=\u00221\u0022 loading=\u0022lazy\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/cdn.fstoppers.com\/styles\/square_small\/s3\/avatars\/2016\/12\/img_4570.jpg?itok=MsZNyv18\u0022 width=\u0022100\u0022 height=\u0022100\u0022 alt=\u0022User picture for Andre Goulet\u0022 \/\u003E\n\n\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221397785020\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-15036\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EAndre Goulet\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71722\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Apr 17, 2014\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221397785020\u0022\u003EApril 17, 2014 - 9:37 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EThe real problem is that photographers in forums keep thinking that other photographers are their target audience. It\u0027s your art. Produce it. Enjoy\/sell it. If it\u0027s selling and that\u0027s your goal, you\u0027re doing it right. If it\u0027s being enjoyed and that\u0027s your goal, you\u0027re doing it right.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 71722}}\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon-thumbs-up svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 viewBox=\u00220 0 512 512\u0022\u003E\u003Cpath d=\u0022M313.4 32.9c26 5.2 42.9 30.5 37.7 56.5l-2.3 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data-livestamp=\u00221399328280\u0022\u003EMay 5, 2014 - 6:18 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003ESoooo..... I guess Ansel Adams wasn\u0027t a photographer then, as he would spend hours upon hours in the darkroom forming his image into what he wanted. 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no-user\u0022\u003Efasache\u003C\/span\u003E\n \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-71726\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Jun 10, 2014\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221402418100\u0022\u003EJune 10, 2014 - 12:35 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n \n \n \u003C\/div\u003E\n \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n \n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EFirst off...old head photographers can kiss my ass. 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