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width=\u0022100\u0022 height=\u0022100\u0022 alt=\u0022User picture for Rex Larsen\u0022 \/\u003E\n\n\u003C\/a\u003E\n          \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221602529490\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n          \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-22821\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003ERex Larsen\u003C\/a\u003E\n          \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-646700\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Oct 12, 2020\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221602529490\u0022\u003EOctober 12, 2020  - 3:04 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n        \u003C\/div\u003E\n                  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \n            \n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              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href=\u0022\/u\/user-43818\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EChristoph .\u003C\/a\u003E\n          \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-646769\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Oct 12, 2020\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221602561446\u0022\u003EOctober 12, 2020  - 11:57 pm\u003C\/a\u003E\n        \u003C\/div\u003E\n                  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \n            \n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n                \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI\u0027ve found in my professional experience that most of the people that balk at anything that flirts with the boundaries of the craft are generally criticised by those who are incapable of doing it. 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class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \n            \n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n                \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EFirst off, about definitions; there could be some debate about your interpretation of the word \u0027processing\u0027 in that dictionary definition. It\u0027s probably there because in analogue photography, it was not possible to view a photograph unless it had first been processed (bar Polaroid and other instantly printable photos). So processing is an essential part of analogue photography. Now we may argue that the same is true with digital RAW files, and that though they are viewable with a RAW-reading software, they cannot be printed or even viewed by the \u0027layman\u0027. They have to be therefore processed into Jpeg files. HOWEVER. Is editing them beyond that point (and I refer to your painstaking work in Photoshop, with layers and masks and brushes) indeed processing? Is editing a part of processing, or is it a separate step? I maintain that it is separate.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ENow, having said that, at what point does processing become editing? Is  everything done in Photoshop after the conversion from RAW to Jpeg therefore editing? The removal of a tin can from an otherwise pristine beach is certainly editing, but is that then no longer photography? I think it is not. But does that then make the image no longer a photograph? Again, I think not. It is still a photograph, but the editing work being done on it at that point is probably not photography.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd my definition? I believe photography is \u0027the photographer\u0027s expression of a point in time\u0027. 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Ferricyanide? \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAt that point, you\u0027ve reduced \u0022photography\u0022 to a mere mechanical exercise, and kicked Ansel Adams, W. Eugene Smith, and a host of other giants out of the club.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAny definition of \u0022photography\u0022 that excludes such luminaries is the wrong definition of photography.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n      \n      \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv  class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 648539}}\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan  class=\u0022icon-thumbs-up 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field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EDid you not understand my point on processing vs editing? The original question itself suggests that there actually is a point where photography stops and digital artistry begins. There is no digital artistry in the darkroom anyway, so I\u0027m not sure that\u0027s worth discussing. 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My avatar here is purely a matter of film wet processing, for instance.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n      \n      \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv  class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 649177}}\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan  class=\u0022icon-thumbs-up svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 viewBox=\u00220 0 512 512\u0022\u003E\u003Cpath d=\u0022M313.4 32.9c26 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new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221603603258\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n          \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-12181\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EDavid Blacker\u003C\/a\u003E\n          \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-649533\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Oct 25, 2020\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221603603258\u0022\u003EOctober 25, 2020  - 1:20 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n        \u003C\/div\u003E\n                  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/fstoppers.com\/originals\/when-does-it-stop-being-photography-and-start-becoming-digital-art-523268#comment-649177\u0022 class=\u0022parent-author\u0022 title=\u0022In response to Kirk Darling\u0022\u003E \u003Cspan  class=\u0022icon-reply svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 viewBox=\u00220 0 512 512\u0022\u003E\u003Cpath d=\u0022M205 34.8c11.5 5.1 19 16.6 19 29.2l0 64 112 0c97.2 0 176 78.8 176 176c0 113.3-81.5 163.9-100.2 174.1c-2.5 1.4-5.3 1.9-8.1 1.9c-10.9 0-19.7-8.9-19.7-19.7c0-7.5 4.3-14.4 9.8-19.5c9.4-8.8 22.2-26.4 22.2-56.7c0-53-43-96-96-96l-96 0 0 64c0 12.6-7.4 24.1-19 29.2s-25 3-34.4-5.4l-160-144C3.9 225.7 0 217.1 0 208s3.9-17.7 10.6-23.8l160-144c9.4-8.5 22.9-10.6 34.4-5.4z\u0022\/\u003E\u003C\/svg\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\n Kirk Darling\u003C\/a\u003E\n            \n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n                \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003ELol it is not my distinction; it is the distinction of Ian Stanley, who asked the original question, specifically mentioning digital art. The darkroom manipulation done to your avatar is still very basic stuff in the context of digital manipulation, and could be done in Lightroom in a couple of minutes. The fact that it takes two days to do it in the darkroom doesn\u0027t change what it is. You are still manipulating the process, so it is still photography. 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\u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-648688\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Oct 21, 2020\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221603277707\u0022\u003EOctober 21, 2020  - 6:55 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n        \u003C\/div\u003E\n                  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \n            \n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n                \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWhat really should be the concern for photographers is robotics and AI, it is the biggest danger to all mankind. Whose development means \u0022you are no longer needed\u0022. The conversation begins while our product will not replace humans but ends with the machine and software can do it better than humans. Most of the filters Photoshop has you could in processing, printing, or another step with graphic film prior to digital photography.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n      \n      \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-field-updown field--type-voting-api-field field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022votingapi-widgets updown read_only\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv  class=\u0022updown-buttons-container\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022updown-button\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca class=\u0022updown-up no-votes\u0022 href=\u0022#\u0022 data-vote-value=\u00221\u0022 data-vote-count=\u00220\u0022 data-tipped-options=\u0022ajax: {data: {vote_value: \u00271\u0027, entity_type: \u0027comment\u0027, entity_id: 648688}}\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan  class=\u0022icon-thumbs-up svg-icon\u0022\u003E\u003Csvg xmlns=\u0022http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\u0022 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\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\n\n\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Cmark class=\u0022hidden new\u0022 data-comment-timestamp=\u00221604484151\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022New Comment\u0022\u003E\u003C\/mark\u003E\n          \u003Ca title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 href=\u0022\/u\/user-331381\u0022 rel=\u0022ugc\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022\u003EAndrew Carroll\u003C\/a\u003E\n          \u003Ca href=\u0022#comment-652072\u0022 class=\u0022date\u0022 title=\u0022Nov 04, 2020\u0022 data-livestamp=\u00221604483675\u0022\u003ENovember 4, 2020  - 4:54 am\u003C\/a\u003E\n        \u003C\/div\u003E\n                  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment__submitted comment__parent\u0022\u003E\n            \n            \u003Cspan class=\u0022edited\u0022 data-tooltip=\u0022This comment was edited on Nov 04, 2020\u0022\u003E[Edited]\u003C\/span\u003E\n                                  \u003C\/div\u003E\n                              \u003C\/header\u003E\n\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n                \n            \u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field__item\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EPhotography might be a little like pornography - it\u0027s hard to define, but you know it when you see it. This is even more so in the case of photography, as it is all too obvious in some images that they have been manipulated. Aren\u0027t overly-manipulated photographs a bit corny when construed as actual photography, as we instinctively know that the situation they depict is not possible in experienced reality?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EPhotography, as the article points out, allows the image to be different from what you saw, ie. in black and white - we presuppose that the photographer was working in a historically-established medium, ie. Black and white film, which is definitely photography, as long as the resulting image is not discernable as having been manipulated to an unrealistic degree. There\u0027s a difference between what mediates between that original, inspiring visual perception and the audience, and the image itself - infra-red film, for example, is simply a medium.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EPost-production is still part of photography, but as I learned as soon as digital cameras began to appear, you can make a good photograph great through post-production, but you can\u0027t make a badly-taken photo into a great photo without the manipulation becoming obvious. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ETherefore my definition for photography is images taken with a camera that are discernable as grounded in real experience, though they may have diverged from that original visual perception to some degree, through post-production, filters or mediums established in photographic history such as infra-red film.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003C\/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022links-wrapper clearfix\u0022\u003E\n      \n      \n       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