The EOS R5 is probably the most eagerly anticipated camera that Canon has ever announced. The initial rumors were mostly scoffed at and described as nonsense, and I assumed the same. As more and more information gets released about this camera, concerns about its performance and specifications continue to be dispelled.
Recent leaked images show some of the video specs from the menu of the camera itself, and it looks pretty incredible. When Canon announced that the EOS R5 will shoot 8K raw internally, most of us thought there had to be a catch. Either there would be a significant crop, autofocus would be disabled, or even worse, Canon would place a hard limit on how long you could record for each clip. In the past, camera manufacturers had implemented record limits on higher-resolution videos, and many assumed that the 8K features in the R5 would have something similar. If the leaked images are anything to go by, then it seems this is not going to be the case.
Looking at the total record time on the menu; you can see that it's a healthy 21 minutes. This is being described as the amount of video you can record with 512 GB of storage. That's a huge amount of data; however, for those that want or need that kind of resolution, it seems we might be able to start celebrating this huge leap forward in technology.
Rumors also suggest that Canon has managed to do all of this without any overheating, which I find remarkable. The kind of resolution we're talking about is incredible.
What I'm excited about is not the 8K feature itself, but more about what impact it has on the industry at large. As 8K becomes more accessible, lower and more viable resolutions could start costing a lot less, both in terms of the devices and running costs. The other benefit is that it pushes the whole industry forward in terms of competition. Companies like Sony and Panasonic will be pressured to develop better or more competitive alternatives.
The upcoming launch event from Canon can't seem to come any sooner.
So we know it can shoot 8k RAW, but can it also shoot 4k RAW also?
No mention of that so far but I doubt that it will.
why wouldn't it be able to? that would be the most bizarre case of the cripple hammer so far
I’m not sure that could be considered an act of the cripple hammer. Also, doesn’t the ability to shoot raw require full pixel readout?
The sensor will be too high in resolution to allow 4K raw if that is the case. I could be wrong though.
Not sure I follow you.
It's actually easier to get Raw out of a sensor than a compressed format.
The camera is said to do
4K internal video recording up to 119.88 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit Canon Log (H.265)/4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265).
So they clearly have enough power to get raw 4K out if they can compress 120 fps at 4K in H265!
I think it's not about power but based on the number of pixels and what raw resolutions a sensor can actually offer. Compressing that data is fine but if you want the raw format then you need full pixel readout.
For example, if the camera had a 12mp sensor, then shooting uncropped 4k RAW, wouldn't be a problem. The issue is that this sensor is likely going to be a 45mp sensor, meaning that to shoot raw 4k, you'd need to crop the sensor. You can't do full pixel readout and shoot raw using the whole sensor because that would be 8K and not 4K.
This is predominantly why the 5D Mark IV had such a heavy crop on 4k video.
All that extra data needs to go somewhere and that's why you can have 8k raw or 4k compressed files.
Once again, I could be wrong so please don't quote me on this.
It's confirm that there will be no crop in 4K.
Based on this:
It means that the full 8K is downsized already for 4K export 10 bit 4.2.2.
So, they do it already.
No reason to not offer 4K raw.
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You are doing bit of mistake in your analyze.
Yes, you need a full readout for RAW and you deal these data to other format (or just write it)
But compressing 8K RAW readout to 4K H265 10 bit 4.2.2 needs way more computing than just pixel binning 8K to 4K raw + write it)
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Again, this no crop in 4K have been confirmed, so the RAW out should be completely possible.
Just to clarify a point, are you saying that you can produce 4K raw by pixel binning?
I just looked it up and you can't pixel bin and get raw footage. You do need full pixel readout in order to have raw footage. For that reason you can't have 4k raw on a sensor that is shooting 8k raw.
"For that reason you can't have 4k raw on a sensor that is shooting 8k raw."
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So how Canon is doing it since the 5D markIII with the 3 different RAW size option in picture mode?
It's a 22 Megapixel sensor and you can have the option of 22,10 or 5.5 Megapixel in RAW.
Magic?
oo that's a very good point. The Canon 5DSR has something similar where you can shoot medium raw files at 28mp so you make a very good point. I'll need to look mor einto this. Thank you for your thoughts.
Ah ok, hadn't actually considered that. It does seem counterintuitive to only offer the higher resolution option in raw though. Surely that would mean that any other camera that needed to shoot 4K raw would be limited to 8MP making it a pretty poor option?
With so much buzz around this camera, Canon is having a lot of pressure if they cripple it in any way!
The only way they can not cripple it is by pricing it at the same point as their high end video cameras. People always want the moon, but that doesn't mean they won't buy your product otherwise.
Some strong rumors seem to suggest a price less than $4k. We might be getting the moon this time :P.
no way it'll be less that 4k. I Mean......it'd be awesome if it was. But when they're selling 1dx's doe like 6 grand.....I don't see that happening.
I think they will for a number of reasons, I wrote an article about it and then a day later canon rumours announced something similar so it's quite likely I think.
For some reason am guessing it will be less than £3,500 (just my guess though)
Wouldn't one think this camera may be in the 5DIV price area, maybe slightly higher?
Price is annonced at $3,890! Happy
Well seems like NO 4k RAW, only 8k RAW up to 30p
Let's hope Canon is doing a Nikon D850. I think that shocked the camera world. :)
If Canon doesn't blow this release I can see a lot of video shooters coming back.
As a photo and not a lot of video photog, I can see using 8k for short recording clips, and then extract hi res raw files from that, gives you a high fps. :) I'm still a canon 5D3 shooter, a dinosaur, But it still serves me well, I can use it in "in my sleep" and know exactly what it does and can't do and find a way around what it can't do. .:)