Godox Leaks the AD600 Pro: Profoto and Broncolor May Have to Worry [Rumor]

Godox Leaks the AD600 Pro: Profoto and Broncolor May Have to Worry [Rumor]

Within a couple of years, Godox has grown from a small Chinese flash manufacturer no one cared about to a brand that most photographers know. Their products are affordable and offer what most of us need. They are far from being in the high-end market and able to rival the Europeans that are Profoto, Broncolor, or Elinchrom, but that may be changing. At least, the leaked page of the AD600 Pro seems to indicate that Godox is learning fast and improving its products.

Even though it’s not official, the page that was leaked earlier today on Godox’s website seems to announce the replacement of the AD600, and it’s called the AD600 Pro. The specs that were shown indicate that Godox has learned from other brands' errors and customers' feedback to make a very appealing product. While it won’t have more power than the current AD600, it does come with a bunch of new and improved features that will help the brand compete with bigger names such as Profoto, Elinchrom, or even Broncolor.

First, its new design includes a non-recessed flash tube will significantly improve the spread of light and help you get the most out of many light modifiers. The new design should also help with the power output, and a difference may be noticeable: it’s the case with the Elinchrom ELB400 vs. Profoto B1X design, for example.

The recycling time is also significantly improved and even surpasses what the Profoto B1X is capable of. At full power, it will require less than one second to be ready to pop another flash! That’s almost half of what the B1X needs. Even the modeling lamp is more powerful than the B1X or the Siros L with a 38W LED color-balanced at 4800K.

But more interesting and surprising, what caught my eye is the extremely good color temperature consistency that is indicated. Godox apparently will announce a new color stable mode that will yield color temperature changes of +/-75K over the whole power range! If brands such as Profoto or Broncolor can keep their prices, it’s partly due to their color consistency. However, when you know that the B1X is capable of "only" +/-150K over the full range and Broncolor ECTC patented technology warrants a +/-50K, you may start to wonder why your next flash shouldn’t be a Godox if color is the only argument.

Another fact that’s important to notice is that the radio system will be compatible with Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus. I’m sure many Fujifilm users will be happy to read that!

On the less desirable side, the number of maximum flashes at full power will go from 500 to 360. But something had to be done to get those faster recycling time. 360 is probably more than enough at full power for most users anyway as I’m sure most of us actually rarely need those 600 Ws.

The only very annoying feature I hope Godox will get right with their future units is the power adjustment. Why keep it to thirds of stops and not change it to tenths? They almost got everything perfect with this AD600 Pro spec sheet except for the power adjustment. It’s such a shame that they went so far to create a dream flash but failed with such a fundamental and straightforward functionality. I mean, they even created an answer to those like me who don’t like the B1X, Siros L, and AD600 designs that put all the weight on top of a light stand by creating an optional portable flash head!

I’m very curious to see the official announcement to learn more about the pricing of the unit and its accessories. But so far, I’m very impressed with what Godox has leaked. It looks like a competent unit that will make many think twice before buying yet another B1X like every other photographer. What do you think? Is Godox becoming a major actor in the flash industry? Will they eat even more market share in 2018? Be sure to leave your thoughts in the comments below.

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Quentin Décaillet is a photographer and retoucher based in Switzerland specializing in portrait and wedding photography.

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"The only very annoying feature I hope Godox will get right with their future units is the power adjustment. Why keep it to thirds of stops and not change it to tenths?"

Yes, I totally agree. This and the low modeling light power were my biggest complaints. At least they fixed one of them.

Hopefully, the modeling light is dimmable!

Something that is never stated in specs like these, that I've seen anyway, is the total number of flashes with the modeling on full power and radios on. That's gotta put a dent on the total number of flashes with any battery powered flash unit of any make.

For what it worth:
-I've been using the AD600 6hours long,no sleeping mode.
-using the modeling light 1 minute for focusing around 100 portraits at an event at 1/4 power,a quarter of the battery was used
(so around 100minutes of modeling light an 100pops at 1/4 power and 3/4 juice remaining)
I was pleasingly surprised!

That's very cool, although you were judicious with your use of the modeling light. Overall the entire Li-ion Godox line is well thought out.

Modeling light is 38W LED, this is not low.

I believe he was talking about the AD600 which had a 10W LED, not 38W. 10W is not what I'd call powerful ;)

38w LED ought to be on par with a 250 watt halogen, at least. But it's going to need too much fan to be acceptable for video audio.

People bitching about 1/3 stop power increments..............LOL!

It'll be awesome if Godox delivers on this product. Color temperature consistency was their only shortcoming in my opinion. But +/- 75k puts it within striking distance of the Paul C Buff Einsteins. I would also like to see FEC go down to 1/10th precision, but I'll probably buy one or two even if it only turns out to be 1/3 increments.

I just switched to from Einsteins to Godox about a month ago. I'd be a little bummed if I had paid full price, but I got 3 AD600's from Adorama for like $1100. Still, good to see them constantly upgrading their line. I'm really curious to see if they're going to put out a direct competitor to the Profoto A1

You still have great lights that will serve you for years. I have old Godox speedlight as well as new and they work very well.

Can't tell you how much I look forward to use these. I've had 3 AD600's for a year now and wouldn't even switch to Broncolor or Profoto if they were the same price. But these upgrades surely make them even more attractive!

Adorama has them up for pre-order...$899 USD. HSS/TTL only ...$150 more than the HSS/TTL AD600.

That's one affordable unit for the specs! It still bothers me to know why they don't make power adjustment in 1/10th instead of 1/3rd…

This seems to be a big deal for some, but I'm not sure I'd care. Both my camera and light meters measure in thirds and the mental math to tweak the lights or camera is easier if everything adjusts in the same steps. If you need to control your lighting in tenths, you're probably buying the PF or Brons anyways. I also don't see this as a replacement for the AD600's; more an extension to the top of their line.

I'm really interested to see how the colours perform on this flash I use the Ad600 already and if the colours are on point I'm definitely buying this one.

I'm very happy to hear this! This looks like a true dream unit -everything perfectly balanced between ability, quality, and cost. Cactus got Pocket Wizard off their laurels, now Godox looks to be doing the same.

I definitely want to play with one of these.

The power adjustment probably won't be a huge hassle, if there is really any gripe I'd look more at keeping a 3.5mm sync instead of a 1/4 -but no doubt that's for space, and standard.
Dream unit.

I have the Flashpoint model, and I've dropped it (due to wind & shooting outside) three different times. It's built like a tank. Minor scratches are the only thing to show, and my main worry was always the exposed bulb. Looks like that's protected (at least a little bit) now. I was thinking about adding another, but now I'll wait. Hopefully a non-TTL model comes out, because while my unit has it, I've never used it. I'd be happy to take a couple hundred bucks off and lose it.

I've dropped it a couple times myself. The last time it blew over, my assistant tried to grab it and went over with it. My light stand and modifier were both destroyed (probably expected as they were cheap) but my Xplor 600 bulb and all came through like a champ!
Also, unless you're talking about the Pro, they do have a non-TTL version. It's about $150 cheaper.

I’ve tried all Godox flashes and appreciate their hard work to improve the quality of their products including this update. but how about flash duration 1/220 seconds at full power compare to 1/1000 on Profoto B1/B1X? Shouldn't we consider this, a serious factor in price difference?!

I guess HSS is their remedy to that.

I’m sorry my friend but HSS is a different situation which has it’s own pros and cons.
Achieving right color temperature in 1/1000 seconds at full power normal mode needs a technology beyond that price range.

My gut feeling is that flash duration is not technically challenging to Godox any more.

Never been actually, because Godox users are mostly satisfied with products/prices and rarely complain about flash duration. So the manufacturer doesn't need to be worried about that portion of market which needs more effort and money to be handled.

Considerably heavier, longer, and less battery life? I think I'll stick with my current AD600's if that's the case!

I'd love to do that, but I wound up going with Godox for HSS and more convenient battery operation out of the studio, but still using Buff in the studio. I much prefer uniformity, however--one type of compatible equipment across the board. I'd even pay a bit extra for it.

But it's the customer service...Buff offsets lower prices (compared to Profoto or Broncolor) by professional level customer service. They still service equipment they haven't even manufactured in a decade. Will Godox even continue making parts and accessories (such as the batteries) for the AD200? We don't know enough about them to be confident of that.

Queston today is, do we need long lasting super reliable products with 10 years of customer service these days. I mean , technology is moving at a pace that doesn't allow tech products to have a lifespan of such a long time without getting heavily outdated. Do I care if my ad200 & ad600 burn out in let's say 2 years. By that time flashes might be capable of delivering ultra short flash durations at full power with neglectable color variation, or might even be replaced by high power output leds with ultra low power consumption. At that time I will be happy that I bought some 'budget' lights instead of having invested a fortune in an equally outdated top brand.

Jaap Venhovens, If I only needed to buy one light or if I was flush enough to be willing to throw a studio of lights away every two years and buy all new, then you'd be right. But generally my studio evolves--one or two lights at a time. I've been using Buff lights for nearly 20 years, and they have been compatible even as the technology evolved--the company does not obsolete its line every three to five years. Buff Einsteins are a newer technology from White Lightnings, but I can still control both of them with the newest Buff triggers. Nor do the top-tier producers obsolete their own lines every three-five years. So, will Godox still sell batteries for the AD600 a year from now? Will they obsolete this line in three years the way they obsoleted their last line?

I've been shooting with the Flashpoint model for a little over a year now at my D800's top shutter speed, 1/8000. Since I've gotten the light, I've been able to shoot into the sunlight at around ƒ2 with a high shutter to control the ambient. Using the light, I can get a perfectly lit, shallow DoF portrait. Also, I understand a lot of photographers don't want an integrated battery, but it's so much more convenient when shooting outdoors to not have a pack dangling from the lightstand. Here's one of my shots with the EXIF on it. https://fstoppers.com/photo/210595

Whatever works for you! I stick to some basic lighting too

I've been really happy with my AD200s so far (the TT350Fs... not quite as much since they chew through batteries). But this could also make for a nice addition.

"First, its new design includes a non-recessed flash tube will significantly improve the spread of light and help you get the most out of many light modifiers."

This sentence doesn't make sense, can you elaborate? The AD600 doesn't have a recessed flashtube, as long as you take off the reflector.

The AD600 flash tube sits just inside the Bowens mount (I think it actually is flush in the native Godox mount).

Inasmuch as the tube design puts the "flashing" part out in front of the Bowens mount anyway, I don't really think it will make much difference. What will probably make more difference is that the new reflector is probably designed specifically for the position of the tube, whereas the AD600 reflectors have all been off-the-shelf generic Bowens designs.

I'm very happy with my AD600 already. I'm glad they fixed the color temperature issue and I'm happy with thirds stops increments!

I have 5 Einsteins that are on their last legs, lots of use, lots of things rattling around in them. I was thinking about picking some of the Godox to replace them instead of purchasing PCB replacements or adding 3 more B1 to the 3 that I already own. If they accept PCB mount, then I will def pick up 3-5 of these to use with my Profoto B1's

Here's an article re adapting Buff softboxes to Bowens S Mount: http://www.marksoon.com/blog/2014/converting-pcb-softboxes-to-bowens-mount . The point is your looking for a 5.5" insert flange

When did PCB come out with new WL units, on their web they still look like the old ones, .... not too mention the flash duration on the WL are crap. If they had a a flash duration similar to the Einsteins then those would be an option, but with crappy flash duration and no high speed shutter sync, those are not an option for me at all. One of the advantages I have when shooting with the B1 units is when I shoot in a gym at a high ISO (1600/3200), splash a small amount of light on a subject (olympic lifting or something else with fast movement) and being able to have a shutter speed 1/1600 or higher of a shutter speed. Would be great if I could use my B1s and another less expensive flash unit under those conditions, ... Plus, I feel like PCB is fading away fast, having no answer to all the lighting companies coming out with HSS on their portable units, .... Anyway

no biggie, .... i got all excited for a moment when i saw your post, and then saddened when I went to the site, ..... :(

The thing about PCB modifiers is that they are heavy duty and dont cost an arm and a leg, .... BUT, they aren't like Profoto modifiers. I would prefer that PCB come out with some new stuff so I do not have to get Godex, or spend $6000 on more profoto lights, .... oh well, ....
thanks for the props man!

The Flashpoint version is the exact same light. Made by GODOX of course. It is up for preorder on Adorama $899 the TTL version. I think I will wait for the Non TTL.

I agree with your assessment, I'll have to wait for the Non TTL version as well which it was suggested to me may come in around $750. I was hoping Buff would come out with a self-contained replacement for the Einstein but that seems like that not going to happen anytime soon. I'm still very leery about repair for the Godox lights over the long term.

So for 2-3 of these you can buy a comparable single Profoto light? Wow.
I really love my Alien Bee, but as much as I love it, it is a hassle that I can't purchase it in Canada and avoid absolutely ridiculous shipping costs and duties (Godox I can get from Amazon.ca). It's frustrating that when PCB came out with the "digibee" it didn't include a battery pack contained in the body of the light. That said the price point of Profoto, Broncolor, etc is so far outside my realm of existence I can only dream...with these lights (and I know many people switching) it may be feasible to have a portable battery operated studio flash in my stable in the near future.

When shopping for my first light, I wanted HSS. Every offering I came across all had one nagging flaw. They achieved HSS via rapid pulses which meant you weren't getting all the available power in HSS mode.

That's not a flaw, that's how HSS works.

Actually, you do get all the available power in HSS mode--you get everything the capacitor has spread out over the duration of the exposure (minus system heat losses).

Broncolor does it by altering the timing for HSS. PocketWizard's the same. The flash actually stays on through out the exposure: no pulsing.

I am sorry but Brons doesn’t offer true HSS. It’s hyper sync which comes with its own limitations.

Felix Wu is correct. There is High Speed Sync--the flash pulses for the length of time it takes the shutter to traverse the sensor. HSS is a capability of the flash unit.

Then there is HyperSync (a PocketWizard term) in which the trigger opens the shutter just after the peak of the flash and exposes during the trailing tail of the light pulse.

HyperSync is a clever exploitation of what is actually a flaw in older flash technologies. Ideally, the flash should dump all its energy in the shortest possible blip of light, instantaneously. In practice, however, the flash rises quickly, peaks, and then trails down a slope of declining brightness.

Old technologies have a long tail, and that's what HyperSync uses. Modern technologies are striving to shorten that tail and put all their energy into the briefest possible pulse for the best possible freezing of motion...thus HyperSync is finding itself being obsoleted.

PocketWizard's own wiki has the best comparison and explanation I've found:

http://wiki.pocketwizard.com/?title=Understanding_HyperSync_and_High_Spe...

HSS uses pulses the curtain slit travels over the sensor. HyperSync actually changes the timing on the strobe. Basically, the light stays on while that slit travels over the sensor.

"HyperSync" is a registered trademark to PocketWizard. High Speed Synch (HSS), to my knowledge, is an industry term. As for Broncolor, the only limitation I've come across is that you're not given the full range of power settings. In normal mode you get min. to full power (2-10). In HS mode, you get 4-10. Two full stops.

That's one of the issues. To get that long duration, you have to shoot at full power. Anything lower and the duration falls. What Bron does is give you that longer flash duration at variable power settings.

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