The launch of the new Olympus O-MD E-M1 Mark III has reminded the world that micro four-thirds is not dead, and right now, it’s almost exactly the same price as the Sony a7 III. If you were in the market, which would you buy?
Over on B&H Photo right now, there’s a dollar difference in price between these two cameras, though if you opt for the Olympus, you are buying a camera with a much, much longer name. That said, in a world when full-frame offers so much, why would you ever want the smaller sensor? This entertaining video from Vistek makes a compelling case for the Olympus, and clearly it’s a tool that definitely fits well under certain circumstances.
Certainly, if I were about to head off for the Sahara, the Sony a7 III would be quite far down my list of cameras when it came to choosing what to take with me. It’s not just weather-sealing, however: if you’re shooting wildlife and wanting to travel light, the Olympus is a much smarter option. But there are a couple of other good reasons, too, as outlined in this video.
Which would you opt for? Is Olympus lampooning us by giving this camera such a long name? Leave your thoughts in the comments below.
Micro four thirds is dead...this new camera changes very little.
You obvioulsy are not the target. What is your main gear ? Shooting f/1.4 lenses wide open very often ?
I shot on that platform from 2013-2017.
There is nothing wrong with the image quality and I found plenty of commercial applications where it was perfect or more than enough.
For personal work I took it to all the challenging locations...Belize where the humidity was so high another camera would have had trouble. I dunked it in a river and it survived. Took it to Morocco and it survived 4 days in the desert heat and dust. etc etc etc.
The sensor has barely been advanced and the other features are simply not worth paying a premium for. Not when you can get a FF mirrorless system for the same or less.
Next?
I agree, the sensor is old, and the price is high - It should get lower.
But the image quality is the same as soon as you close the aperture to obtain a certain depth of field. (IMO shallow depth of field is overrated as soon as you do landscape or studio photography).
And you'll carry heavier gear on full frame.
For street/nature photo at dust or night, or paper thin depth of field, or loads of pixels, then full frame is the tool. Else, I'm really good with my olympus, hiking in the tropical mountains.
There is a tool for everyone, so, mft isn't ready to die.
You said it...sort of.
The advantage that Oly had over everyone else was size. That went away with the E-M1 MKI. If you wanted the best lenses you had to cede that too. I bought the 12-40 and 40-150 the first day they were available.
The Size advantage is gone. The price is gone. Image quality is not equal to a FF. Ergonomics...that's simply subjective. The menu system is still a hot mess.
And they want people to pay the same or more than a FF platform?
To your point on shallow DOF...micro four thirds lenses are designed to be shot at the max aperture. And the DOF isn't a selling feature.
Look I'm a fan, but not where the money/value is concerned.
“The advantage that Oly had over everyone else was size. That went away with the E-M1 MKI”
The E-M1 is the only available Olympus camera?
To get the best image quality out of the platform you need their most expensive lenses, which are also large.
Why would you buy an Olympus (any model) when you can buy a FF of the same size and equal or better IQ for the same money or less?
"But the image quality is the same as soon as you close the aperture to obtain a certain depth of field."
It's not. FF has much less noise and more DR. Less blown out white skies and much less noisy shadows any time of day.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr144_0=o...
A bit late for a reply..
As long as you want some depth of field, you close the aperture, twice on a FF camera, with a loss of 2 stops of light.
If it's dark, you may need to rise the iso to keep a shutter speed fast enough, and also get the 2 stops from the closed aperture back => 4 times higher iso.
And ...
https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Olympus/OM-D-E-M1-Mark-II---Measurements
vs
https://www.dxomark.com/sony-a7r-iv-sensor-review/sony-a7r-4_dr/#main
As soon as you rise the iso, your FF gets beaten in a matter of dynamic range.
If you can work with a minimal depth of field in dark situations, then a full frame camera is the weapon of choice. We agree there.
Else, a micro four third is almost always sufficient, if 20Mp is enough.
Just another gear loser who picks gear over skill
The difference in image quality is very real. Olympus is too much of a compromise.
Like image quality is everything that matters. :D
The difference is minimal unless you're shooting in darkness.
I shoot in darkness. Image quality matters a lot. The difference is very real.
Or daylight:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr144_0=o...
How did you come to that conclusion?
not sure about the traveling flex... seemed odd... petty... most people can find humidity, water and sun... next?
I won't comment on your travel experience as a photographer as I can't possibly know that. But your comment strikes as someone who maybe hasn't gone off the beaten path often.
I referenced Belize...miles and miles of river out of Orange Walk to access Lamanai. You can get spray to full on rained on in the open boats. Then spend hours walking around the jungle where the humidity causes water drops on your lens and drenches your clothing.
The Oly is a tough camera that can handle all of that no problem and at the time I adopted the platform I was moving away from a Canon 1D series set of bodies with large L lenses. A nightmare to travel with let alone hike etc for extended periods...and I'm not small.
I like to travel light, fast and comfortable.
That's the use of it.
no one ever wins with arrogance... case in point... you.
An easy dig when you have no rational reply.
In my point of view Olympus is targeting the new EM-1 to professional user (as it's always been with that lineup) and the price they're asking is related to the super ibis, handheld high res shot, nd filter simulation, one of the best tropicalization etc. There are target user where a MFT sensor it's more appealing than FF and those new features are useful and worth the price.
I personally have shot with EM1 mk1 + OLY 12-40 PRO for some years and recently got a pen F with a 12mm f2 prime and i've honestly stopped using the em1. The quality is more than fine for me and the size is quite small (i don't think you can get that small with a FF and a 24mm f4 (correct me if I'm wrong)).
I agree that pricing it's probably too high compared to what you can get from other brands nowadays and that's why I did not upgrade to a EM-1 mk2 or 3 but I also have to say that most of the features that this cameras offers are not for my tipe of photography.
I think we should be glad that Olympus is so resilient and gives a different option to consumers who are no willing to get a FF
But this is just my opinion
Looks pretty alive to me. Yet another new camera released. New lenses coming too before the summer. Yeah... Dead alright... Some people... :D
DO you know how big Olympus is a company?
My partner recently went into the doctor for a routine scan...which was performed on an Olympus medical device. They are huge. Big enough to keep the photo dept in business for a long time. Doesn't mean it will be profitable or worthwhile as a platform.
worthwhile to whom... may I ask?
Yeah, I do know.
"Doesn't mean it will be profitable or worthwhile as a platform."
- And how big Olympus is means it might not matter at all.
Which makes your tonynorthupesque opinion (m4/3 is dead) even more... let's say doubtful.
LOL why are you bringing Dr Strange into this?
It's about answering to shareholders my friend. Making maximum use of a company's resources for a profitable endeavours. Not a stagnant or failing division.
"DO you know how big Olympus is a company?"
Big enough to let go of a small portion of their company that's underperforming without taking much of a hit. Being a big company isn't always a good thing.
Yup. I know.
Why would you waste company resources to support a failing division...do you think SHAREHOLDERS will accept that indefinitely?
Samsung is also a very large company, yet they dropped the camera division because it was not feasible in the long run when compared against more established camera companies...who are also having dificulties selling products.
Couldn’t disagree more. Micro 4/3 is perfect for travel and vacation photography. I’ve been using Olympus micro 4/3 for years and love the small size (and lack of weight) on the bodies and lenses, many of which come down to f/1.2.
As I've stated...there is nothing wrong with the IQ.
It's the price. The cost of a FF or even APS-C has come way down and the lens offerings have essentially caught up. Why would anyone pay a premium for an M 4/3 camera system now...with inferior IQ from an old sensor?
Even if you aren't ready to pay, there are others who are. Some are willing to pay more for smaller footprint. I am one of those actually.
And you could ask the same questions to car makers/buyers: Why are they buying BMWs when they can get a better car with a bigger engine (Audi) for the same price? It's the whole package you buy and not one or two pieces inside.
PS. And yes, I think Audis are better but I cannot prove that. The funny thing about opinions is that they're just opinions and not facts. 100% the same with cameras. :)
I agree. It wasn't for the IQ, Video or Megapixel stitching that made me invest in the platform back then. It was smaller, lighter, faster.
If they're features appeal to ya by all means pop you're money down.
And AUDIs are better...that's why I have a pair of them.
This one's for you bud...I call her "The Crab"...cause that Quattro crawls over just about everything
Maaan... I wouldn't mind having one too... :D
If I was mostly shooting in situations that allow me to keep my ISO low, didn't need really shallow DoF, and wasn't particularly interested in adapting vintage lenses, then sure. The Olympus doesn't seem like a bad camera at all.
No problem with vintage lenses on olympus actually, and if you want the FF angle of view, add a x0.71 speedbooster and that's almost it (because there is no x0.5 SB).
It's a bit of a problem if you're really looking to preserve the actual look of those lenses since you're going to have to deal with some crop factor and a speed booster adds another optic in the path which isn't completely neutral. Also, speedboosters are a hell of a lot more expensive than the empty tubes you can purchase for any full frame system. If you've got a single mount that you're really looking to work with, it's fine, but it sucks quite a bit if you're looking to dabble. That's one of the things I am really enjoying about the Z7-using metal tubes with cheap glass from this mount or that.
No way would I choose a Micro Four Thirds over a FF Sony sensor with all the features of an a7III. No way in H....
What kind of photography do you do?
And no way in H... I would choose a full frame setup over my E-M5III. The size advantage is huuuuge (pun intended) compared to full frame ones. And the IQ is good enough. It was already good enough with the original E-M5 and now it's even better.
Well... I dunno. I may not be the best but I'd say I'm in the TOP-5. Of all time.
On paper, the Sony would win. If I actually put my hands on both, the Oly ergonomics are more to my liking. And given the conditions I often shoot under (salt air / salt water splashes) the Oly weather sealing on camera and PRO lenses is very important.
Oh, come on, sony has a good weather sealing. Against dry wind. I believe... ?
To answer the question in the title, if someone had a gun to my head and said that I had to choose, it would be the Sony only because it's FF. No gun, it would be neither.
I would any day of the week over the Sony.
I’d agree with this. I shoot for a living and lot of my work Is done on an E-M1X. It’s like a mini D4, with the benefits of mirrorless. IQ is totally fine, but where it really shines is when you’re deep in the trenches and you have to react super fast. It just works, period. Just like a 1DX or a D4.
I tried the A7R3 for a while and didn’t like it at all. Bad industrial design, good lenses though. I’m excited about the R5.
“4/3 just doesn't have good dof and bokeh compared to a FF”
Neither DOF nor bokeh are determined by sensor size.
I love my olympus, but John is right :
On a MFT camera, you'd need a twice wider aperture on half the focal length to get the same look (angle of view, background blur) as a FF camera.
The equivalent to a sony 85mm f/1.4 would be 42.5mm f/0.7. That doesn't exist, and wont.
The question is : Do you need that shallow depth of field, or low light capability ? I don't. So I'm good with olympus.
I sold my Z6 and bought a micro 4/3 camera. So, to answer the title, yes. I would. I find it funny when people declare micro 4/3 dead because THEY wouldn't buy it or are not happy with it. A breaking news - the world does not turn around you, sunshine :) What FF gives you is better IQ over micro 4/3. I've owned both and I can make a comparison. Yes, the IQ is better. Significantly less digital noise and better DR are the main differences. What people sometimes don't understand is that not everybody NEEDS the better IQ. I definitely don't. I do not need the IQ not be perfect, just to be very good. And I find it liberating to walk around with a tiny camera like Panasonic GX9 and 2 tiny lenses like the 15/1.7 and 42.5/1.7 The IQ from these is more than good enough. And the size and price difference is huge. Now, this particular Olympus model is ovepriced, like most cameras are a week after their release. But even like that, if fully rotating screen and best possible IBIS are the things you need most, it's better than this particular Sony model. And that's the answer to the puzzle - what you need is what defines your choice, not what OTHER people prefer.
I was answering more to a person in the comments section who boldly pronounced the micro 4/3 system dead, because HE doesn't like it. I don't like oranges. Guess these fruits are dead now...