I need some feedback on these photos, and I'm sure that your opinions would be of great help to me.
Thanks in advance!
P.S. Retouched with Affinity and Nik Collection
Nice work Hunter. I love stuff like this. I particularly like the second one. I think the crisper, higher contrast works with the antiqued effect. Two thumbs up from me.
Ps - I recommend opening them so you see them on a black background. They look even better.
Thank you, Ruth! You brought a new view to me on these photos! Do you recommend adding a black frame in post production? I still have the document saved and I want to listen to your opinion before I make any changes! Thanks again!
It would depend on your plan for them. If you were to print and frame them, i would print them on a heavy paper with a ragged edge and float it above a black matt. That would look awesome! If it is going to be digital, i would like to see it with a black frame only because the bright white of a digital media page makes off-white work look dingy.
Oh! Yes! I am not preparing to print them, but when I look again, the photo is, in fact, dingy on this interface. So...If anybody is going to view it on fullscreen, would it be a nice option to add an extra black frame to the photo? Hope to hear from you again!
My only suggestion and it's only very minor, would be to add a pinch of sharpness, or clarity, or texture... Just a tiny amount. - but if no one else suggest this, it could just be my monitor.
Very sharp eyes, Joe! I have viewed the photos at 100% and to me, it is crisp sharp. In the meantime, the photo gets compressed by the Fstoppers platform, and sharpness is reduced. However, since you have suggested, I think that probably am indeed lacking in sharpness, which is very important to photos like these! so can I trouble you to take a look at these and see if it is also lacking sharpness? Thanks!
Thank you Hunter! The comparison of the other sites helps quite a lot. By looking and comparing them all the differences are extremely minute; by looking at the version with the darker vignette I can tell the images are indeed sharp, very sharp.
Hum.
I think what I'm seeing is the results of whatever my old monitor is doing/not doing. I am actually in the phase of picking out a new monitor as we speak.
Though off subject, I did get a new monitor. Wow. What a difference. My last monitor has a manufactures date of March 2008, and the new one July 2020..
Hi Hunter. Experts have said it all and good. However for my academic reasons and skill growth I was thinking about 3-4 aspects for very long.
(1) was debating for the need of the bent nail in the composition. and for my opinion i think its distraction. for me the cracks in the wall shall get all the attention as strong element/s. for some times I argued about the nail being the reason for crass conceptually. but...
(2) if I see cracks as dilapidation, the perception was leading to thoughts of having sepia tone instead of off-white cast.
(3) had seen the image 2 in various rotations. for me the vertical orientation was more appealing.
(4) Since the border was discussed, I felt image 2 borders black could have been taken till the edges of the image. I checked and even that uplifts the presentation and appreciation of the work. this was unthinkable for me.
having seen the images at other places, the wall texture definitely adds a great deal to the feel and mood.
FS has proven issues of compression, which degrades the quality of image including the sharpness. FS also deletes the embedded colour profile. this too may be the issue.
I enjoy the level of creative discussions with extremely learned community of FS and thank FS for providing that platform.
Apologies for longer mail. but I enjoyed my academic debates. if you do not like anything, please ignore.
Thank you for your time and detailed analysis! I felt that you have brought some interesting aspects to light! As for your suggestions...
(1) I haven't really noticed the effects of the nail before you posted. Since you brought up this aspect, I am thinking of removing this nail in post production so that the photo looked cleaner. In the meantime, there are also concerns about the perception of people towards this wall. Will you still see it as a wall if I removed the nail? I am very interested in this aspect of the photo. Can I have some further opinions from you?
(2) I have used the sepia cast in Nik Collection while working in post. Does it appear off-white to you? If yes, can I have an example of the photo in sepia? After all, I don't quite know what sepia really is in photography......
(3) That one is a great hit! I'll do a vertical one and put it on my portfolio. Do you recommend clockwise or counter-clockwise? Your perspective on this would help a lot!
(4) The borders are a preset I used while editing with Nik Collection. Can you teach me how to get the effects you described? I'm curious how that would turn out!
Thanks again for your comment! It turned out to be extremely helpful to me! I am looking forward to your opinions!
Hi There.
(1) more than people, its you who would choose to see the image in particular way. I am seeing this as pure art. I stand good in my opinion of this composition without nail. This is my personal opinion and take.
(2) I could have shown the sepia tone as my opinion but its usually good to cast it on white image. Further, let it be your insight and perception of sepia tone. you may learn it seeing such images on net. adjustments Layer + layer opacity + blending mode will help you achieving it.
(3) I had seen it rotating it both ways. Mirrored them also. would have questioned the proportion and scale at each. that's what I follow usually. go through your journey.
(4) After applying preset you can explore possibility of fill in remaining in PS. Heal brush, clone stamp, brush colour etc may help. or any other new way know to you.
Wow! I see that you put a great amount of time in these comments! I would spend a few days thinking the different options over and I would post again so you could review them. And, by the way, I'm not really good at PS, but I'll try to do the stuff you recommended and ask you if I needed help, and hopefully, there's finally gonna be someone teaching me PS!
Hi Hunter. Just to conclude what was started, posting a resemblance of sepia to my opinion. have EXAGGERATED the cast a little bit for my impression that FS also jacks up colour saturation besides sharpness.
Wow! That was......I actually intended it to be a simulation of film, but your edit looks pretty creative!
P.S. My impression of film is always desaturated...(small chuckles here) 😂
Interesting, Hunter - I usually don't like photo-based images with a frame effect as part of the whole, but these are different, and I like your idea. Quite abstract & creative.
Of the two, I think the first works better because in the second the ragged nature of the dark border gets confused with the main image for me, in a way I find distracting rather than enhancing, or adding to the integrity of the whole. This effect is also partly due to the fact that the second image doesn't have the pale vignette, so for me it all sort of swims around, whereas the first is more focussed, and more of a piece.
I'd still really like the second if I saw it on its own, though! Well done.
Just read the other comments now. I like the nail. Somehow (I never understand these things!), it makes the image more real, without detracting from the pleasing abstraction.
I never promised I'd make sense...
I agree with Vijay about the sepia, Hunter. These images look yellowish, creamy, whereas sepia is a light brown tint (like the "Ink" from cuttlefish, its original source). Old white paper tends to develop this tone, which is why sepia toning is used for to bring a sense of age or the passage of time. Here's a rough stab at different toning that to me has more of that antique feel Of course that may not be what you're after..
This is closer to the usual sepia, Hunter, but I'd say still a bit yellowish. However, this is TOTALLY subjective, and tastes vary enormously, especially when it comes to colour. I don't have a bottle of cuttlefish ink as a reference point!
Remember also that as the OP you can add images at left if you want, so viewers can scroll directly between your editst. Can get confusing if you don't edit the main text to suit.
Saving and scrolling between directly, these are a big improvement over the originals - to my eye.
Hi Hunter, I'm a bit late to this party and see you already have lots to think about.
I like these images a lot, but as abstract art in particular is so subjective I'm going to throw in my own thoughts.
1) I agree with others - these look great set against a black background
2) I prefer the 2nd image, and personally feel the 'torn-edge' border complements the subject
3) The one thing that nags my own personal taste is the dead space on the right. My eye tells me the image is finished at the last crack yet is being pulled out of the frame. I have tried a couple of quick crops, adding with the understanding that this may not suit your own taste or that of others.
The one one BIG flaw in these though, is that they are not mine.
Well done!
Thanks, Alan! That was exceptionally helpful! Do you feel that the crack on the right should have been extending out of the photo in a more emphasized way? I'll be more than happy to give it a try!
Can't agree! Can't agree! Can't agree! I think the balance of your original compositions is fine, with just a nice tension in the balance of forms and tones. Much as I respect Alan. Really. ;-)
I do agree about the suitability and attracivenes of the ragged border per se as against the plainer one, but I think the final execution of the whole worked better with the plainer one, as the ragged border became conflated with the main image, rather than functioning as a border - to my eye.
Got too many opinions yet, Hunter? You've certainly raised some interest here!
Oh! I love hearing from you guys! I'd never be tired of this :D By the way, I understand what you guys thought of the border, but to me, the difference isn't that big. Probably a sign that I should train my sensitivity! 😄😜
I think the one thing we CAN agree on Chris is that this type of work is so subjective.
I think it's great that everyone feels comfortable enough to express their own opinions but hopefully Hunter will stay true to himself. I'd hate him to make changes based on what I/others like if it does not feel right to him.
Nice work Hunter. I love stuff like this. I particularly like the second one. I think the crisper, higher contrast works with the antiqued effect. Two thumbs up from me.
Ps - I recommend opening them so you see them on a black background. They look even better.
Thank you, Ruth! You brought a new view to me on these photos! Do you recommend adding a black frame in post production? I still have the document saved and I want to listen to your opinion before I make any changes! Thanks again!
It would depend on your plan for them. If you were to print and frame them, i would print them on a heavy paper with a ragged edge and float it above a black matt. That would look awesome! If it is going to be digital, i would like to see it with a black frame only because the bright white of a digital media page makes off-white work look dingy.
Oh! Yes! I am not preparing to print them, but when I look again, the photo is, in fact, dingy on this interface. So...If anybody is going to view it on fullscreen, would it be a nice option to add an extra black frame to the photo? Hope to hear from you again!
Why not put one on and add it to the post? Than we will really be anke to advise! :)
Sorry for the late reply, here are the photos!
I agree with Ruth, nice work.
My only suggestion and it's only very minor, would be to add a pinch of sharpness, or clarity, or texture... Just a tiny amount. - but if no one else suggest this, it could just be my monitor.
Very sharp eyes, Joe! I have viewed the photos at 100% and to me, it is crisp sharp. In the meantime, the photo gets compressed by the Fstoppers platform, and sharpness is reduced. However, since you have suggested, I think that probably am indeed lacking in sharpness, which is very important to photos like these! so can I trouble you to take a look at these and see if it is also lacking sharpness? Thanks!
https://hcphotos.lofter.com/post/30c8fd18_1ca8d144e
or......
https://500px.com.cn/community/photo-details/581b29160c354d8ba4ce2ab5d97...
https://500px.com.cn/community/photo-details/48848fe96de347e684de78b0b3a...
Thank you Hunter! The comparison of the other sites helps quite a lot. By looking and comparing them all the differences are extremely minute; by looking at the version with the darker vignette I can tell the images are indeed sharp, very sharp.
Hum.
I think what I'm seeing is the results of whatever my old monitor is doing/not doing. I am actually in the phase of picking out a new monitor as we speak.
Oh! I'm very glad to hear that! Hope you'll have a new monitor soon! 😄
Though off subject, I did get a new monitor. Wow. What a difference. My last monitor has a manufactures date of March 2008, and the new one July 2020..
Hi Hunter. Experts have said it all and good. However for my academic reasons and skill growth I was thinking about 3-4 aspects for very long.
(1) was debating for the need of the bent nail in the composition. and for my opinion i think its distraction. for me the cracks in the wall shall get all the attention as strong element/s. for some times I argued about the nail being the reason for crass conceptually. but...
(2) if I see cracks as dilapidation, the perception was leading to thoughts of having sepia tone instead of off-white cast.
(3) had seen the image 2 in various rotations. for me the vertical orientation was more appealing.
(4) Since the border was discussed, I felt image 2 borders black could have been taken till the edges of the image. I checked and even that uplifts the presentation and appreciation of the work. this was unthinkable for me.
having seen the images at other places, the wall texture definitely adds a great deal to the feel and mood.
FS has proven issues of compression, which degrades the quality of image including the sharpness. FS also deletes the embedded colour profile. this too may be the issue.
I enjoy the level of creative discussions with extremely learned community of FS and thank FS for providing that platform.
Apologies for longer mail. but I enjoyed my academic debates. if you do not like anything, please ignore.
cheers.
Thank you for your time and detailed analysis! I felt that you have brought some interesting aspects to light! As for your suggestions...
(1) I haven't really noticed the effects of the nail before you posted. Since you brought up this aspect, I am thinking of removing this nail in post production so that the photo looked cleaner. In the meantime, there are also concerns about the perception of people towards this wall. Will you still see it as a wall if I removed the nail? I am very interested in this aspect of the photo. Can I have some further opinions from you?
(2) I have used the sepia cast in Nik Collection while working in post. Does it appear off-white to you? If yes, can I have an example of the photo in sepia? After all, I don't quite know what sepia really is in photography......
(3) That one is a great hit! I'll do a vertical one and put it on my portfolio. Do you recommend clockwise or counter-clockwise? Your perspective on this would help a lot!
(4) The borders are a preset I used while editing with Nik Collection. Can you teach me how to get the effects you described? I'm curious how that would turn out!
Thanks again for your comment! It turned out to be extremely helpful to me! I am looking forward to your opinions!
Hi There.
(1) more than people, its you who would choose to see the image in particular way. I am seeing this as pure art. I stand good in my opinion of this composition without nail. This is my personal opinion and take.
(2) I could have shown the sepia tone as my opinion but its usually good to cast it on white image. Further, let it be your insight and perception of sepia tone. you may learn it seeing such images on net. adjustments Layer + layer opacity + blending mode will help you achieving it.
(3) I had seen it rotating it both ways. Mirrored them also. would have questioned the proportion and scale at each. that's what I follow usually. go through your journey.
(4) After applying preset you can explore possibility of fill in remaining in PS. Heal brush, clone stamp, brush colour etc may help. or any other new way know to you.
trust this helps.
Wow! I see that you put a great amount of time in these comments! I would spend a few days thinking the different options over and I would post again so you could review them. And, by the way, I'm not really good at PS, but I'll try to do the stuff you recommended and ask you if I needed help, and hopefully, there's finally gonna be someone teaching me PS!
Am still a student. Learning through exchange of knowledge.
I did the sepia edit! This is how it turned out:
Hi Hunter. Just to conclude what was started, posting a resemblance of sepia to my opinion. have EXAGGERATED the cast a little bit for my impression that FS also jacks up colour saturation besides sharpness.
Wow! That was......I actually intended it to be a simulation of film, but your edit looks pretty creative!
P.S. My impression of film is always desaturated...(small chuckles here) 😂
These look great!
Interesting, Hunter - I usually don't like photo-based images with a frame effect as part of the whole, but these are different, and I like your idea. Quite abstract & creative.
Of the two, I think the first works better because in the second the ragged nature of the dark border gets confused with the main image for me, in a way I find distracting rather than enhancing, or adding to the integrity of the whole. This effect is also partly due to the fact that the second image doesn't have the pale vignette, so for me it all sort of swims around, whereas the first is more focussed, and more of a piece.
I'd still really like the second if I saw it on its own, though! Well done.
Just read the other comments now. I like the nail. Somehow (I never understand these things!), it makes the image more real, without detracting from the pleasing abstraction.
I never promised I'd make sense...
I agree with Vijay about the sepia, Hunter. These images look yellowish, creamy, whereas sepia is a light brown tint (like the "Ink" from cuttlefish, its original source). Old white paper tends to develop this tone, which is why sepia toning is used for to bring a sense of age or the passage of time. Here's a rough stab at different toning that to me has more of that antique feel Of course that may not be what you're after..
Thank you, Chris! That was extremely helpful! I'll start to tone the images right now and hopefully, I would be able to post soon!
I did an edit with sepia. Does this look different?
This is closer to the usual sepia, Hunter, but I'd say still a bit yellowish. However, this is TOTALLY subjective, and tastes vary enormously, especially when it comes to colour. I don't have a bottle of cuttlefish ink as a reference point!
Remember also that as the OP you can add images at left if you want, so viewers can scroll directly between your editst. Can get confusing if you don't edit the main text to suit.
Saving and scrolling between directly, these are a big improvement over the originals - to my eye.
I'm glad it looked better! And thanks for the tip!
Hi Hunter, I'm a bit late to this party and see you already have lots to think about.
I like these images a lot, but as abstract art in particular is so subjective I'm going to throw in my own thoughts.
1) I agree with others - these look great set against a black background
2) I prefer the 2nd image, and personally feel the 'torn-edge' border complements the subject
3) The one thing that nags my own personal taste is the dead space on the right. My eye tells me the image is finished at the last crack yet is being pulled out of the frame. I have tried a couple of quick crops, adding with the understanding that this may not suit your own taste or that of others.
The one one BIG flaw in these though, is that they are not mine.
Well done!
Thanks, Alan! That was exceptionally helpful! Do you feel that the crack on the right should have been extending out of the photo in a more emphasized way? I'll be more than happy to give it a try!
Can't agree! Can't agree! Can't agree! I think the balance of your original compositions is fine, with just a nice tension in the balance of forms and tones. Much as I respect Alan. Really. ;-)
I do agree about the suitability and attracivenes of the ragged border per se as against the plainer one, but I think the final execution of the whole worked better with the plainer one, as the ragged border became conflated with the main image, rather than functioning as a border - to my eye.
Got too many opinions yet, Hunter? You've certainly raised some interest here!
Oh! I love hearing from you guys! I'd never be tired of this :D By the way, I understand what you guys thought of the border, but to me, the difference isn't that big. Probably a sign that I should train my sensitivity! 😄😜
I think the one thing we CAN agree on Chris is that this type of work is so subjective.
I think it's great that everyone feels comfortable enough to express their own opinions but hopefully Hunter will stay true to himself. I'd hate him to make changes based on what I/others like if it does not feel right to him.
I second that emotion.
Nice work Hunter. The amount of comments suggest that the images are impactful. Well done!