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Color experiments continued

This is an experiment in keeping the color more subdued and not going too overboard. I am having some problems adjusting to that idea but it's important to learn how to dial things back. The original image is sort of a mess but I wanted to try and fix it as best as I could and give myself a challenge. I have been using a new lens and I can't seem to get a darn thing in focus with it but I'm going to keep at it. The photo was taken with an EF-S 55-250mm on a Canon 60D. (Apologies in advance, I'm not well versed in photo technobabble...)

Any advice or cc is welcome!

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im the last one to give advice but since im on airports/planes for 48h now i have a min. and want to learn as well . wrt the focus .. what is your process and can you give more details ? on what do you focus , do you shoot on tripod or hand ? are you on manual or auto focus, do you keep the stabilizer on or off, shutter and focal length?

I’m not sure what all the tech details were, I’m honestly not that “technical” yet... at the time, I was focusing on the deer running in the front. I can’t remember entirely but I didn’t have a tripod (I’m a poor student and don’t own one yet) the ISO was like 600ish, shutter was probably 200 and exposure f7 or 8. I was photographing some leaves and fiddling on manual so no autofocus but I usually always have the stabilizer turned on. Suddenly the deer sprang out of nowhere (someone let their dog off a leash and scared the herd) so I just tried to capture them as best I could in the moment.

I want to be more aware of settings and not use auto modes anymore so any insights are helpful. I’m not a mechanically minded person, I tend to follow my intuition so that’s another goal for me to work on.

you did great sofar... for hand shooting and stuff that move 125 is the lowest (and then you need to be steady or pan ) , but typical 250, 400 or 500 . when things move very fast i will go 1000+ (done a few at 8000)

maybe you must expand your exp by getting the focus and some tech aspects out of the way and then do the color exp again. do the focus with cam static . place it on a bench etc with M, AF and with and without the stabiliser . change the shutter and ISO . keep at f8 (chk out where they spec your lens for opt f value) . make a small matrix for you and change 1 parameter at a time and note when you get the best focus under what conditions . repeat this but now with can still fixed but with objects moving past your field of view. then 3 test pan with the moving object whilst going through your matrix ... you can even go full AUTO when you are unsure en let the cam figure out what to do . works well for 90% of cases. once you master the tech side you will have a small set of rules that you can quickly apply between static , long exposure, fast moving, low light, panning etc

i will keep quiet now .. off to next flight ..good luck . PS make those notes and you will see the results

Thanks for your kind words and taking the time to give me some pointers. I will do some experiments and take notes as you've suggested. Objects in motion are not subjects I usually photograph but I'll keep trying.

For a "not prepared" shot, I think you did really well. With your Aperture down at f8, it saved the image as having it there expanded your focal plane.

A 200 Shutter is pretty slow for fast moving wildlife. this is probably what's giving the feel of being out of focus (ever so slight motion blur). But that is part of what happens when we are caught off guard. It just happens even to the world class photographers. Even if you managed to get your shutter up to 500 or 1000 super fast, then your ISO would be off.

Dose the 60d support auto ISO while in manual mode? This isn't cheating at all, just gives one less thing to worry about when action happens. It was a little trick I learned shooting soccer games. As a cloud can cast a fast shadow at just the wrong time, and if on 100% manual, the image could be ruined.

I know it's drilled into us to learn 100% manual. I do not disagree, but it is okay to use auto iso, or aperture priority, or shutter priority. Getting the shot is far more important then what mode we are in. You prob know all of this.. but this situation reminded me of my own trials and missing shots.

So I go back to I feel it is a wonderful photo and I like your edits. I've been pulling greens out of my autumn images as well. I'm just in that mood I guess. haha. The slight "fuzziness" you might be seeing just might be the haze that's in the field. A slight localized sharpening (or high pass) could fix anything you feel might need it.

It's a wonderful moment you caught.

I've been playing all night with a new technique. Hope you don't mind but it looked like it might fit your image so I gave it a shot. it's almost painterly.

I still like your image very much, this is just for ideas... and "thinking out loud", so to speak... I worked off your original image. If you take this image and your original on your desktop and toggle between then, you'll see the edits.

Love this edit the most😍 such a cool image especially for a chance shot. IMO this edit is perfect except I would clone the leaves out at the top as they distact rather than add to the composition.

Thanks for looking Sophie!

I'm not sure if the 60D has a control for automatic ISO in manual. It likely does but I don't know where it is or how to change it. I need to find a manual online and see if that's an option (my camera didn't come with a book unfortunately). I wouldn't have even thought about the camera having an auto setting while in manual, lol.

Also, I don't mind at all if you play with the image; it's interesting to me to see how others would handle the same situation.

Thanks again for your input!

That is a nice focal range lens... My daily-driver is a 70-300mm.. Just such a great range while out wandering nature..

I bought it second hand and just started using it. I had only an EF-S 17-55 to use before but it has developed a sensor problem (tried cleaning it and having it fixed by a reputable camera store but its still having issues.) It has been a challenge to adjust to this different lens; I prefer to use the other one.

I would really like to get a macro lens but the cost is way out of budget for me right now.

On a budget, you could get a reverse mount ring for your current lens. This will allow you to attach the lens backwards to camera body. Instant macro.. and the cost, $5'ish.. When picking a ring you go by the filer size for that lens. You will be 100% manual mode at that point though.

For a little more, about $30, they make a reverse kit for canon that keeps electronic control of the lens.

I love macro.

I have never heard of such a thing! I'm definitely checking that out, maybe buy myself an early yule present. :)

I spend the majority of my time seeking out small things like flowers, leaves, textures, etc. Macro photo is incredible to me; there's a whole miniature world most of us never notice or see.

You've already received some advice on camera settings, but I'll add this: Shooting full manual is fine if you are experienced enough to know exactly what you are doing. In most cases, shooting with one of the "priority" modes is fine as long as you know which is best suited to the subject you're trying to capture.

Aperture Priority is the one you should be trying to master as the lens aperture most directly affects the way you final image will look and how your subject is rendered in relation to its surroundings. If you want to isolate the subject and blur the foreground and background, choose a low ƒ-number (wide opening). If you everything in the scene to be in relatively sharp focus (for instance, an interior design or architecture), choose a high ƒ-number (small lens opening). You can use the camera's Exposure Compensation (usually a "+/-" button) to increase or decrease the metered exposure values, which will indirectly affect the other camera settings.

There are times when your subject's movement dictates the shutter speed and you will probably not want to leave that setting to the camera's discretion. In those cases, use Shutter Priority to directly adjust the shutter duration and allow the camera to set your aperture. Again, you can use exposure compensation to adjust the overall exposure, but you retain control of just how much or how little motion blur is in your shot.

A note on shutter speed and lens stabilization: If you want to pan the lens with the subject and you choose a relatively long shutter duration to blur the background while retaining sharpness in the subject, you need to assure that whatever stabilization system you're using is either turned off, or that it will automatically turn itself off if it detects an intentional camera movement. Some lenses can do this and when they recognize what appears to be a sweeping, intentional movement by the camera user, the system will turn off or maybe even dampen only movement perpendicular to what it thinks is the user's intent.

Let's say you want these deer to be nice and sharp while the background is horizontally blurred to show the speed of the animals across the field. Maybe set the shutter speed to 1/80 second and pan your lens left-to-right as the deer move, keeping them as close to motionless in your viewfinder as you can. (Depending on your camera, you may experience mirror blackout as you do this, so it will take some practice to get past the jarring sensation of the viewfinder blanking as you pan.) If you have stabilization turned on, it may attempt to counter your panning effort and you'll end up with a rock solid background and blurry deer.

Shooting a backlit subject like this can be difficult for any autofocus system, so you'll need to check your focus point to make sure it is on the subject and not some other part of the scene. If you are once again relying on the camera to do most of the work by using a zone autofocus, it may be trying to focus the lens on something other that what you want. Choose a single point autofocus and use the controls to move that point to where your subject is in the viewfinder. Or, if you have the time to set up properly, use just the center focus point to set focus on your subject before re-composing the viewfinder for the final exposure. (Usually accomplished with a half-press of the shutter release.)

I hope I didn't dumb it down too much for you. I don't know your level of experience and want to make sure you understand what I'm trying to say.

Actually, it makes more sense when you dumb it down because I'm not a "numbers" or a very tech savvy person if that makes sense. I did have my settings set to single focus point and that has helped but I did not consider how the stabilizer might have been affecting the image at the time so that's also a good thing to learn.

I've heard of aperture priority before but I will have to apply what you've mentioned next time I go out with my camera.

I wasn't planning on taking this picture, it just happened and since I'm new at understanding how many of these settings play with each other I didn't have the experience to know how to handle a sudden change like fast motion. Honestly, I felt really good about capturing anything at all here because I don't usually take pictures of things in moving. (the benefit of flowers, trees and leaves is they're quite stationary!)

One reason I want to learn full manual is because it -isn't- easy and it takes intention and planning. I want to know how to better compose my ideas and translate them professionally instead of letting the sensors make all the judgments. As a beginner, this may seem like a hassle to avoid but we all have to start somewhere.

Thanks for your detailed advice, I very much appreciate it.