The Canon R5 announcement has pricked up the ears of most of the industry for one reason or another. Already, however, we're seeing photographers claiming they might switch manufacturers for it. Is Canon domination on the horizon again?
I'm in a peculiar position for this discussion. The knee-jerk reaction of many commenters on here and social media to posts about Canon or Sony is to yell "favoritism!" I started photography comfortably over a decade ago with a Canon; it was not a researched decision. A guy I worked with found a good deal on a used 350D, and I bought it. However, I became loyal and entrenched in a "Canon is the best" mentality. The more I learned, however, the less I cared about the manufacturer. Then came a time where my Canon bodies just felt dated, and the newest and best Canon DSLRs were out of my price range. So, what did I do? Like so very many, I moved to Sony and their a7 III.
I couldn't have been happier, and I'm still using Sony mirrorless bodies and lenses (albeit with some Canon glass I couldn't bring myself to part with). When I made this switch back when the a7 III was released, many colleagues asked why I hadn't written an article on the switch. I'm not certain, in all honesty. There was a lot of talk back then of Canon falling behind, and I didn't feel I needed to add to it. Now, finally, Canon appears to have gone all in on their hand, and that hand is a strong one.
The Canon EOS R5
We don't know everything about the R5, but what we do know is alluring. Canon pitches this new flagship full frame mirrorless in the following way:
New standards in high-resolution stills and phenomenal 8K video quality to match. The EOS R5 advances image quality to a whole new level for stills and movies with a blistering 20 fps electronic shutter or 12 fps mechanically. The EOS R5 is accomplished, refined and built for magnificence.
The specs as per their press release is:
- 8K RAW internal video recording up to 29.97 fps
- 8K internal video recording up to 29.97 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit Canon Log (H.265)/4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265).
- 4K internal video recording up to 119.88 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit Canon Log (H.265)/4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265). 4K external recording is also available up to 59.94 fps.
- No crop 8K and 4K video capture using the full-width of the sensor. (When in 8K RAW, 8K/4K DCI modes.)
- Dual Pixel CMOS AF available in all 8K and 4K recording modes.
- Canon Log available in 8K and 4K internal recording modes.
- A Canon first, the EOS R5 will feature 5-axis In-Body Image Stabilization, which works in conjunction with Optical IS equipped with many of the RF and EF lenses.
- Dual-card slots: 1x CFexpress and 1x SD UHS-II.
Well, even without all the information, that is a heavy hitter. Comparing this R5 to any of the newest Sony mirrorless cameras (let alone my now lowly a7 III) is something of a whitewash. 8K internal video recording at 29.97 fps with no crop is a huge moment for consumer cameras, particularly ones that aren't dedicated video bodies. I mean, even Canon's C300 III can't shoot 8K, and that's a dedicated "digital cinema camera." Compare it to Sony's a7R IV or a9 II (as the latter is their flagship), and it comes out victorious in pretty much every category. One other noteworthy area to highlight is the in-body image stabilization (IBIS), which we weren't sure was ever going to be in the cards for Canon after some previous statements.
As Andy Day pointed out, there still are some blanks to be filled in. One of which is the sensor resolution, which is currently being guessed, albeit an educated guess:
Canon News took this to mean that the R5 will shoot 8K DCI. It explains: 'This means to fit the DCI full width on the sensor, the sensor width must be 8,192 pixels wide, and because full-frame sensors are a 3:2 screen size, that means the height is 5,461 pixels.' And critically: 'This translates to a sensor resolution of 44.7MP.'
So, now comes the question: will there be a mass migration back to Canon from Sony?
Do We Go Back, Tail Between Our Legs?
Many photographers, videographers, and YouTubers are already talking about going back to Canon, and it's easy to see why. The R5 is a staggeringly powerful camera, delivering in pretty much every area you could ask. The spec is far above what we've seen in prosumer bodies and now, despite Canon taking their sweet time about really swinging for Sony in the mirrorless market, we're left wondering how Sony can react. Their a7S III is still hanging in the balance with specs not confirmed, and frankly, no one can see them revealing a body that can match the R5 pound for pound, let alone better it.
For what I'm working on in the coming years and with video taking more of a front seat than ever before, I must admit I'm tempted. As Diongzon mentions above, few need 8K resolution, but it does offer creative freedom. So, what's the rub of this ridiculously impressive piece of kit? It's difficult to say before we get our hands on. Several people have worried about overheating, but personally, I think it's unlikely Canon will release this with a fundamental problem like overheating. For me, I think it's going to be price.
The Elephant in the Room: Price
For me, mass migration from Sony back to Canon will hinge on price. We have no word on how much this will be yet, but I suspect it's not going to be low. Sony is known for their aggressive pricing, and even their flagship a9 II is $4,498. Canon rarely scrap around in the mud of competitive pricing, and so my gut reaction was that the R5 will be north of $5,000, which might I add, isn't an unreasonable price for what you're getting. If, however, they launch it nearer $4,000, I think many will make the switch, myself included.
What do you think of the R5? Did you move from Canon to Sony, only to now be debating a return fare? Share your thoughts in the comment section below.
Price being the elephant in the room is right. It is all about price. I shot with Canon APS-C cameras until Fujifilm started releasing their affordable and smaller X series retro style cameras and lenses. Then last year, I decided that I really wanted to go full frame and switched to the Nikon Z7. I went with Nikon for many reasons, but price, size and weight of the new lenses were the determining factors. Nikon's affordable 1.8 primes and f/4 zooms sealed the deal for me.
I like Nikon's approach for its Z lenses. Canon went in a different direction producing lenses with a huge "wow" factor. Many of the lenses--like the 28-70 f/2--were big and impractical lacking IS. Incredible IQ, but I really like 24mm in my mid-range zoom, and I'll take IS over the extra stop of aperture. Few of the Nikon lenses provide a "wow" . The new 70-200 f/2.8 from Nikon has pretty amazing IQ, but the ultra-compact Canon 70-200 gets only the notice. Yet, if the two companies produce equivalent MILC bodies, I'd opt for Nikon because of the competent, more-affordable lenses they've released.
Now, the fact that both Canon & Nikon made it difficult for third-party lens makers to produce for their MILC offerings is extremely disappointing. From Sony, I have both native and third-party lenses. When Sony makes compelling lenses like the 135GM and 200-600, I'm willing to fork out my money. Otherwise, I frequently go with third party makers. I have the Sigma 24-70, which was not a lost Sony sale because I would have just continued using my adapted Canon version. Same with the Tamron 70-180 I have on order. I didn't want the "full-size" GM version, and the F/4 version didn't offer me enough value over my adapted 100-400L, so I wasn't going to buy any of Sony's offerings in this range anyway. But having purchased Sigma and Tamron lenses, I am essentially locked in to Sony. It would be difficult for me to switch out.
Hmmm...with the whole virus shut down, the news cycle does get a bit nutty for content. Let's see the camera after it is released or at least reviewed. I hope Canon hits a home run. The industry needs all the heavy hitters it can handle.
Yes, everyone is complaining about the cameras possible issues already: price, recording time limit, space storage....
Video people will wait to see what the a7SIII specs are. Still people like myself will wait to see about things like DR and High ISO performance. I haven't made more than 4-5 video clips in the last 10 years so it could have 12k 960fps and I would care a bit.
It won’t be ISO invariant I bet, no Canons are, and that’s still a HUGE feather I Sony’s cap, for us low-light (Sports) shooters. You DO know what ISO Invariance is right?
PS-I speak as a former Canon shooter, who also still buys Canon glass like the 24MM T/S!
No camera is truly ISO-Invariant... This also only matters for recovering images taken with improper settings as if your ISO was set properly for the scene in-camera, it wouldn't be an issue either way. The question for me is what the DR fall-off with look like as ISO climbs.
Wow, over 100 comments.
All I know for me personally, until Sony start taking much more care over the ergonomics and usability of their cameras I wouldn’t touch them. It’s pretty much their whole company mantra though, try to constantly win the specs war but put no sort of passion into the products they create, they don’t make items because they want to, they make them to make a profit.
You realise that is just your opinion.
Hence me putting ‘for me personally’ in the comment.
And it’s based on using Sony products for 30yrs and more, they still peddle what is basically the same crap PlayStation controller that was rubbish on the PS1, zero idea on how to create something people want to use.
"It’s pretty much their whole company mantra though, try to constantly win the specs war but put no sort of passion into the products they create, they don’t make items because they want to, they make them to make a profit."
Is this taken from an actual quote or is it just uninformed assumption?
It’s taken from using their products and forming the opinion.. calm down fanboy, you aren’t a shareholder are you? It’s not your mum and dads company is it?
I'll wait patiently until is out and the beta testers do their job. But chances are I'll jump ship anyways :D
Probably not that many.... overall it's silly to keep jumping the next mfr who has the latest and greatest this or that especially when it comes to the expense of changing camera systems...
What, 8k? That's just marketing hype for something nobody needs. We all know this cameras going to come up short when it comes out just like all the cameras they have made in the last decade.
I think people may want 8k so they can punch in on a frame to 1080p, that’s a massive amount of ‘zoom’, good for interviews or times when several people are in frame talking.
Or they could buy 10x zoom 2010 video camera and shoot 1080P and save themselves a headache of post processing 8K video :)
I mean i have zero interest in video myself haha... but i think people like to shoot the whole scene on max resolution then cut into that composition on editing, rather than have someone manning the camera, ive seen it in use on lesser resolution cameras and they do like headshots for people talking etc then pan back out, i can see why it would be handy on a one man video operation.
Its nice to have some overhead of pixels for editing needs, but 4k is enough.
Quality of pixels and the compression matters more.
In most viewing situations, 1080p is adequate delivery. 4K TV's are useless if you sit back 10 feet+
Monitors benefit from 1440p because we sit relatively close to them.
I will take 4K 4:2:2 10bit over 8K 8bit 4:2:0 any day!
With 1Tb per hour in 8k, that is 16Gb per minute, shooting in 8k will be give you huge files.
Don't underestimate what kind of storage and machine you need to edit this.
Wrong tittle. Here you go: Is Canon spending more than Sony in advertisment and influencers?
For video, maybe. Sales of longer lenses for all brands that allow a healthy distance is more likely.
Rich hobbyists can afford to bounce around. The rest of us get to change systems once or twice in our lives, if that. I went from Canon to Sony, and now I'll stay here
Canon lost me years ago when they sat on their old technology reaping profits while Sony invested in new technology. Canon can go the way of Kodak as far as I care.
For a while now we have been at the stage where for 99.99% of shooters, for most types of photography, the limiting factor is the person behind the camera, and lighting
Don't invest in gear, invest in training, and improving your technique
I had a Kodak slr14n full frame camera years ago, and I'm still blown away by the images it produced
Before you buy new gear and read marketing hype, go back and look at old marketing hype
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I love your link! My first digital camera was 1.2MP HP and it was so much better for instant photos as compare to Polaroid. My last digital camera is Sony A7R IV and it is so much better than A7R II which was so much better than A7 which was so much better than A6000 which was so much better than NEX-3.which was a best camera I ever had just 10 years ago.
Sony now has a big advantage with Sigma and Tamron lenses providing excellent IQ, value-for-money, and significantly affordable lenses. Canon and Nikon have played the proprietary lens protocol too tight and Sony has wisely traded some profit for grounding users with 3rd party lenses to provide an enviable mirrorless lens selection across the IQ and price board. A stake in Tamron is reaping rewards over the last two years.
Many a forum poster complained a few years ago they wouldn't move to Sony due to lack of lenses. Well that same argument may haunt Canon and Nikon now.
Interesting times indeed.
I have been using the Tamron 70-180/2.8 for a few weeks now. I have $1400 less on my credit card and my thanks me everyday. I have been using Sony 100-400 and barely use it anymore unless I need the reach. While it does have some glitches (latest firmware) and doesn't have IS the lens has made me low-light pictures that would've looked like crap on 100-400. I also missed the subject separation at f2.8.
First of all: Let's wait till the most reliable reviewers actually get a camera in their hands. I predict there will be some nasty surprises.
Second: 8k video. Do you even realise how big those files are and how difficult they will be to edit.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r5-initial-review/2
Do you really think 8k video will be interesting for YouTube. Maybe for the movie industry but with their budgets they won't use a mirrorless camera. And what kind of computer and storage you will need to edit these files? And what are you going to do with this footage? I predict this camera will overheat like crazy.
I hope the hype won't be disappointing but Canon being Canon, there will be surprises
Actually this camera will overheat after 20 min of 8K use per Canon manual. It will shot off and you will need to wait 10 min for cool off to get another 3 min of filming. And that is at room temperature, will be less filming time if you are outside at 90 degree and in a sun.
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