A Bay Area photographer is facing legal trouble for posting a composited picture of the Golden Gate Bridge with the blood moon, which was taken from an “illegal angle.” The Bridge District claims the angle shows that the photographer must have trespassed into a restricted area in order to get the shot and wants the photo removed from his website — something he refuses to do.
Bruce Getty says he is “just a guy who likes to go on the rocks and get a unique angle of the bridge.” After snapping his photo of the bridge, he later Photoshopped another of his images into it: that of the blood moon from 2014. He then uploaded the composited image onto his website, where it eventually caught the attention of the Bridge District, who issued a cease and desist letter. The District is seeking any profits Getty has made from the image, although Getty claims he hasn’t sold any copies of the image and simply wants it for his own portfolio. "I'm just a nobody taking pictures; I like to have fun," he said.
The shot in question.
Speaking to Fstoppers, Getty says photography helped him turn his life around after getting sober in 2008 and that he has not currently responded to the District’s letter, as he can’t afford an attorney: “It’s not like I have some thriving business. I’m an artist, and I live check to check.”
By his own admission, Getty has been cited for trespassing back in 2014, as well as stopped last December by a police officer who insisted he delete the images, which he declined. The District has threatened prosecution should Getty be found in the same area again.
More of Getty's Golden Gate Bridge work.
See more of Bruce Getty's work at his website and Instagram.
Images courtesy and with permission of Bruce Getty.
I don't know what the rules or laws are about the photos that may have been taken while Getty was on GG property. I guess he could be given a ticket for trespassing using the photo as evidence but would they have a claim on the photo or profits from the photo? I really don't know.
But the cop telling him to delete the photos might be covered by the 4th amendment IIRC Mr. Smith's 11th grade government class. The cop can "ask" anything and the uninformed citizen may comply but many of the police know what they can legally demand so they will ask.
Man this is all over the place. First off, I am not a lawyer, so all my opinions are coming straight outta my ass, but I find it hard to believe that they can legally tell him to delete the photo. At best I can see him getting fined, but this stinks of a cop turning this into a pissing contest because he told someone to do something he wasn't legally allowed to tell them, and then getting pissed they wouldn't comply.
It's such a sticky situation because the fact remains that this guy broke the law. So on one side, he shouldn't be allowed to keep the photo because it was illegally taken. But on the other side, I don't think the government has a place to tell him to delete the photo.
I am legit torn on this because I empathize on both sides. It pisses me off that this dude did something illegal, because it just makes it harder for people who don't. It also pisses me off that this cop appears to have over extended his authority, which seems to run rampant these days in the states.
Well they could just be trying to set a precedent to deter others from trespassing. I could imagine that growing into a problem for them if it were to go viral.
There are multiple signs stating a $10,000 fine or two years in prison for trespassing.
Some people don’t give a shit so they break the law despite 50 cameras pointed at that location.
We have to think of the implications of government having the authority to FORCE someone to delete a photograph for this reason. If I take a picture of a government official committing treason but I happen to be on property that is considered trespassing, will the government have the right to force me delete that photo?
Consider the bridge is a big economic target hence the restrictions around bridges like these since 911 and before that in this case. Then consider if you post a picture from a restricted area you maybe sharing what the authorities consider sensitive information on the bridges structure and the access to it.
Totally necessary to bring politics into it.
I agree about bringing politics into a photography forum; but, you gotta admit it's an excellent point!
I'd say he brought facts into it...
Congrats on bringing your stupid politics into this. Crawl back into your hole.
What a pathetic comment...
I’m pretty sure laws don't allow stealing from charitable foundations, stiffing contractor and setting up bogus learning institutions either. But, yet, here we are.
And what exactly has this to do with the article? In this case is your corrupt government not responsible that this guy was trespassing.
or operating an illegal server in your home to conduct gov't business, weaponizing gov't agencies to target your political opponents, etc....but yet here we are.
Photography site post article 100% about photography and NOT about politics at all....and MAGA-hat guy and his Tough guy friends will make it about politics ....and then call the rest of us triggered because we just want to read and discuss about photography. Good job MAGA-hat Tough guys! I love Larry David. He hit the nail right on the MAGA-hat!
Just a callout for reading comprehension. The article clearly mentions that it's the Golden Gate Bridge District that is pushing the issue. Not the city of San Francisco. Consider it to be an 'alternative fact'.
You are conflating this with "sanctuary city." Obviously you don't understand the concept of the city not doing the feds job for them. Demanding that the city police also acts like federal police is the problem. The federal police mucks up local law enforcement. A sanctuary city sets its own rules.
I like Bruce's work. Trying not to be bias towards him, if someone took a photo that was obviously taken from within property I owned without my knowledge and consent, I'd be pretty pissed and want to make an example of them.
I hope this works out without any issues for him though. You can tell that no harm was intended.
Hm, but what is so irresistible about this angle that he actually went for it?
most likely just too have a different shot from the others
They have no power to get the photo removed or deleted (and neither did the police officer).
He can be prosecuted for trespass but that would happen in state court. Copyright is a federal law and as such the state court has no jurisdiction and therefore can't compel him to give up the images.
Come on San Francisco what are you doing beating up on Bruce Getty? For one thing, the guy is an artist, cut him a little slack please, and for another he's an excellent photographer the city should be proud of and support, or at least not punish like this for minor infractions. I'm an international visitor who came to San Francisco to do a workshop with Mr Getty - one of many as you can tell from his Instagram feed.
He would be responsible for a small increase in the tourism economy in San Francisco!
I was trying to take a photo of the bridge once and I wasn't in an illegal spot just on the rocks a bit and a police man was stern telling me to move back. But surfers were moving under the bridge every which way near the rocks. After 911 there seems to be these annoying security fences blocking some good views.
Because you weren’t in the water and you were in a dangerous spot where people fall and get injured daily. The surfers understand the consequence of that area and the fence is to prohibit people from accessing areas around Fort Point.
Getty was shooting at a location with signs all over it stating you will be fine and may go to prison for trespassing. There is a big difference.
Getty is a local and knows he shouldn’t do this but he did anyways...
So the pricture is oviously taken within the no trespassing area.
Here the place in Google Maps: http://tiny.cc/rnt5jz
Some would argue he should be fined for doing stupid moon composite's
Uh also from that angle if you really zoom in you can see a statue I made out of gum. I'll need some money for that as well.
The article says that Mr. Getty wants the picture for his own portfolio. How come it is for sale on his site?
https://gettyphotography.com/collections/personal-favorites/products/gol...
...and says "I'm just a nobody taking pictures" but has a full comercial site with workshops and prints for sale. Hardly a nobody taking pictures.
Hahaha well spotted, if he is a 'nobody' taking pictures id hate to think what i am... i mean the guy even has a stock photo site named after him;)
You never heard of photographers setting up a web site using their name, or selling prints from their portfolio? Welcome to the Internet.
It was a joke about his name, Getty. As in "Getty Images", the massive stock photo site.
From what I have read... He hasn't sold this photo. If he had... there would have been a record of it... Like all royalty free sites have.
There is soooooo much money to be had in situations like this: i.e. photo permits. Yet, the gate keepers fail to see the potential.
The fact that he trespassed (put his body someplace the law said he couldn't) and the fact that he took a photograph while doing it ought to be separate considerations. His legal/criminal liability for the trespassing should be no less or greater than that of anyone who trespassed without a camera.
At most, the photo serves as (self-"inflicted") evidence of the trespassing, but the photo itself didn't commit any infraction, and it is and should remain his property.
(Please don't mistake my indignant blurt for anything like legal training)
This is a frustrating one for me. I understand the desire to bend the rules to "get the shot" and it's easy to justify it to yourself as a "no harm, no foul" situation. I generally have nothing but respect for Bruce Getty and enjoy his work, but there are a few problems here.
First, this is the same attitude that saw people trample the wildflowers in California's superbloom, or go into restricted areas in National Parks, etc. Generally speaking, these areas are closed for a reason--in National Parks, often due to their ecological sensitivity, and in the case of the Golden Gate Bridge, likely due to liability, security, or both.
Which brings me to my second point. You have to be a special kind of arrogant in the post-9/11 world to hop a fence into a clearly marked no-trespassing area around a piece of critical infrastructure--and then take a picture of it, post it for sale on your website, and refuse to take it down when you get caught. For better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. As a side note, I've also noticed that there are tv commercials for a startup watch company (which I won't name here) that clearly use drone footage of an illegal hike in Hawaii--could be stock footage, but it seems like an odd thing to randomly pull footage from. I guess I'll never understand the mindset of people who so publicly advertise breaking the law.
I'm not aware of the legal precedents at play here in terms of their ability to get him to take the photo down, but I would imagine it's being done to discourage others from trying to do the same. How often these days do people see a cool image on Instagram and go off in chase of that same shot (just ask the entire country of Iceland)? In some cases it's great for tourism and local businesses (albeit perhaps annoying for locals and sometimes detrimental to the environment). Here, at best it seems to create a nuisance for the Bridge District, and at worst it's a security risk.
Remember when this same dude nearly set the Bay Bridge on fire from spinning steel wool back in 2015?
It seems like a corporate or governmental organization launches this type of action under the color of preventing attractive nuisance claims. This is when someone does something stupid, and then blames the property owner for creating the unsafe situation that attracted the claimant when they hurt themself. The government types don't have enough real work to do, so they find passive aggressive ways to irritate their paycheck providers. It's obvious he was trespassing, so write a summons and deal with it there. As far as I know, they do not have any right to profits of the picture, but perhaps a court would rule otherwise.
He was trespassing. This area is "off limits", for what reason ever. There are enough signs, which telling you, not to trespass. If they do nothing and accept it, they will have many other breaking this "law" too. So they have to do some legal action here. It's not rocket sience.
If anything law enforcement should see this an opportunity to up their game. The deed has been done, removing the photo does not improve enforcement tactics.
America, the land of no trespassing. With so much private property, fences and signs there is very little land available for the size of the country.
Not as many rules and fences in other parts of the world.
The USA's historical development (and as a result, cultural development) is quite different from the rest of the world so it shouldn't really be a surprise that attitudes here differ from other places.
Yes. It creates these kind of problems. And too many fences. When I visited the geysers in Iceland in the 1990s you could walk into the geyser. No fences. Same with the cliffs of Moher in Ireland. I am on the east coast of the USA. It is really limiting when I get out of Nyc. Gotta really plan. So much coastline is inaccessible. In the USA people at the end have to break more rules if they want to feel free.
This guy is an idiot not only for taking the photo (essentially creating evidence of you committing a crime), but also ignoring the letter that he got from the District. Legal problems don't go away because you ignore them and they don't go away because you don't think that you can afford a lawyer to help you deal with them. He needs to shut up and lawyer up because this case isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion if it goes down that route.
This is a tough conversation, how far is a photographer allowed to go. If I had a rare rose farm on posted no trespass property and a photographer snuck on and took a picture what are my rights to the photo?
Look everybody this is about trespassing NOT about taking photos.
So unless there is also a sign standing there stating No Photos (based on a civil law) he's good.
Leave him alone. In fact, catch him next time and give him due process...
article from different source. https://abc7news.com/5932662/ He was cited for trespassing when he took the photo. The assets/product of a crime, in this case the crime is trespassing and the product is the photograph, are illegal. The government can seize the product any items used to produce the product and any profits from the product. He would be wise to just back down, remove the photo from the website and not sell it.
The government can't let this go, because once they allow it once then the price of breaking the law and trespassing to get a good photo is the cost of the ticket. I bet if he had put in a request and some work he could have gotten access to the site and gotten the same photo. This does not help photographers as a whole.
100% agree that whoever took this is a lazy sack of crap, and could've received access with not much effort. I also agree that he shouldn't be allowed to make money off the photo, based on the fact that he committed a crime to take it. I question whether or not there is grounds for seizure here. He didn't steal anything, and the product of trespassing is access to restricted areas. I mean one could argue memories are a product of trespassing in this case, so we better lobotomize him? We can't draw lines with law specifically to the product of being a photographer. Again, this entire thing is a wild tangled mess of doing what's right, punishment equal to the crime, abuse of power, and future precedent.
I agree, the end results will be determined by who has the best lawyers and the strongest will to win.
"The government can seize the product any items used to produce the product and any profits from the product." Seem like that would be easy if he was mining or growing flowers on the trespassed property but he was creating intellectual property, do if he wrote a song about the Big Moon Over the GG while trespassing would the gov have rights to that too?
Does that include copyright transfer of the photo, which is a Federal jurisdiction? I don't know if the GG Bridge District is a Federal or State or Interstate or Local entity. either way he's pretty much out of luck.