With all the recent discussion about Adobe's Creative Cloud model and the polarizing opinions surrounding it, one of the topics people have been mentioning is how it will stop the pirating of Photoshop and other Adobe products in the suite. Some felt that many people were just upset with the model because it could no longer be pirated by those who did not pay.
Now that Photoshop Creative Cloud went live just the other day, we didn't know what to expect. However, news is out that just a day after the release, Photoshop CC has already been pirated and available. Although we do not condone piracy, we're shocked to see that it was that easy to circumvent the new model. The reason is how CC works, “An Internet connection is required the first time you install and license your desktop apps, but you can use the apps in offline mode with a valid software license. The desktop apps will attempt to validate your software licenses every 30 days.”
With the constant need for validation and continual updates through the cloud, many felt it would be difficult to pirate something that requires constant contact for it to stay updated. However, it took no less than a day for pirates to get around it.
We're not engineers by any means, however you would think that any means of pirating the software would have been cross checked so it would not be possible this time around. Considering Photoshop is one of the most pirated software in the world, is it by design that makes it so hard to stop? We'd like to hear your thoughts.
I said that with the previous type of licensing you actually own a copy of the software which you can sell, so it has a value and if you want you can recuperate a part of the money you gave when you bought it. Which means all this calculus with the subscription being more advantageous is not correct. This is another big difference between owning and renting.
The point is that with the traditional license you receive something with tangible value for your money, which remains valuable even if you don't upgrade.
"And why would someone buy a used piece of software that most likely had been registered by the original owner? That I don't get. The second owner would have one heck of a time re-registering it as well as getting upgrades for it."
So basically you have no idea how the old model worked, or that everything I just quoted shows a stunning level of ignorance?
And then it goes up to $50. How soon before they start raising the price even further? And what happens when you fall on hard times? You won't be able to edit your files unless you pay the Adobe ransom each month. I'd rather save up and OWN the license than pay forever to be able to open my files. And remember... we're not talking JUST about PSD, but all of the other programs in the CC suite.
That $20/mo is for the first year only. I hope you took the time to read the price you're going to be paying after that first year.
I kinda disagree there Alex. I think the price is initially what made people pirate it, but pirating is sooooo easy now, no matter how low the price is, people will prefer free. I mean come on, apps are 99cents, and they're pirated all the time!
Alex, absolutely agree with you! For some young artist in the Russian countryside $200 is the type of money his or her parents make together in a month to support the whole family.
I disagree. That may be what initiated the pirating, but even 99cent iphone apps are being pirated. In a perfect world, it would, but I dont think anyone who pirated the software will suddenly feel compelled to spend any amount of money just cause it's cheaper
Maybe if software weren't so expensive
The software is way to expensive and I have no tears for Adobe right now. I am fed up with PS CS6 they have downgraded my workflow with their so called improvements. I won't loose any sleep for them. They have made a mint off of me. Last upgrade ever I am back to my PS cs5, that works like I want.
I think its hilarious that people actually thought this would stop the piracy. The ONLY/SOLE reason for pirating it is the price it sells for! You don't see cheap software being pirated do you? Its good software, people love to create in it, that's it.
It's not the sole reason at all. They pirate because they can and they enjoy doing it.
10 dollar apps (or even cheaper) are pirated as well.
I'd like to know how it was done.
learn C&C++, and after and then study what a compiled code looks like, I promise you it aint rocket science.
I was more looking for the method to unlock so I could obtain the delicious cereal.
Sure it is bad and sad but when you live in a third world country a pirated version of a top-notch product is welcomed with open arms.
Its very simple people:
- The guys in adobe is making 1000000% percentage on each copy they sale.
- They guys in adobe steal opensource code from opensource project just like every other company under the sun
- Crackers dont support piracy but they support people having access to atleast try and buy, if you ever looked at a cracked copy of software aka nfo file or something similar, u'll see what I mean.
- There is no way to protect software, there are ways to make things more complicated but computer code is crackable as it runs on the cpu which could be stopped and reverse engineered, just a question of motivation for the cracker.
If adobe would give say... student free versions and say wouldn't make %100000 percentage profit for each copy and say... wouldn't use opensource code things would probably be different.
Reset assure all the above things are taken into consideration when software is developed.
good day!
I think your profit margin is a little off there... they employ a lot of people, and put a TON of hours into it. All those people have to be paid, and they have to constantly upgrade their equipment to keep putting out quality code. So I think your estimate of 1million percent profit is a tad high...
software giants such as this usually allocate X resources to create an app and then have a small team of 10 devs to maintain it, initial investment is around 10/20 mil and then 10 devs (150K/year) to keep the version running for about 10 years. you tell me whats the profit margin is after 10 years.
You got me there
And STILL managed to make ONE BILLION DOLLARS in profit - not gross - last year. I'd say that Adobe didn't have any problem with profit. Now they just force everyone to rent so it makes their cash flow more even and now they don't even have a serious incentive to upgrade their software like they did before when they had to CONVINCE US THAT THE UPGRADE WAS WORTH IT.
I'm sorry, did you just say Adobe is FORCING everyone to rent? I'm sorry sir, you are quite mistaken. Adobe isn't FORCING anything. They have a product. It's their's, they made it. They have decided to sell it in this particular model, and anyone who doesn't like it is free to keep their money. No one's FORCING anything.
Maybe you don't have an established workflow that works VERY well, but some of us do - AND have been doing it for A LONG TIME. Suddenly changing how we work is BAD for small businesses. Essentially Adobe has a monopoly and if you want to continue using their software, you are FORCED to rent it now rather than buy it.
Oh my god, you have got to be kidding me???? How can you make an argument about your OLD workflow that you established with an OLD version of photoshop, and somehow think that justifies your need of the NEWEST version. Let me try to spell this out for you. Your workflow is established in an EXISTING PROGRAM THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. Adobe is not taking that away from you. Your workflow DOES NOT CHANGE. You know what else is bad for small business? The constant need to compensate for your poor quality of work with the newest and shiniest gear.
Holy crap, you are so wrong it's dizzying. Let me see if I can spell this out for you. How is your workflow, which you've had for SOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOONNNGGGG, at all affected by a NEW version that you don't have?????? Your workflow is currently based in an OLDER VERSION that you ALREADY OWN. Adobe is NOT taking this from you. Therefore, your workflow is COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED! Really? I can only use their software if I rent it? Cause my copy of CS6 has yet to VANISH INTO THIN AIR. Still works perfectly fine, and yes, my WORKFLOW is entirely THE SAME. You know what's bad for small business? The pitiful need to compensate for poor quality of work with the newest and shiniest gear.
Oh god, this is sad. Let's see if I can explain to you your horridly flawed logic. Your complaining because the workflow, which you've had for SOOOOOO LOOOOONG doesn't work anymore? The workflow that is based in an OLDER version of photoshop that you ALREADY OWN is somehow changed by a new version that you DON'T OWN? Last time I checked, Adobe wasn't removing all the older versions of photoshop from people's computers. My copy of CS6 seems to be working just fine. So please explain to me why your OLDER version of photoshop suddenly doesn't work, just because something newer exists? You are not FORCED TO RENT ANYTHING. Adobe is not taking money out of your pocket, and they are not removing your older software. Since your workflow that works SOOOO well that you've had for SOOOOO LOOOOONG, still works with your version of photoshop, maybe you should be content with what you have. You know what's bad for small business? The constant need to compensate for poor quality work with the newest and shiniest gear.
Dave Williams. Oh god, this is sad. Let's see if I can explain to you your horridly flawed logic. Your complaining because the workflow, which you've had for SOOOOOO LOOOOONG doesn't work anymore? The workflow that is based in an OLDER version of photoshop that you ALREADY OWN is somehow changed by a new version that you DON'T OWN? Last time I checked, Adobe wasn't removing all the older versions of photoshop from people's computers. My copy of CS6 seems to be working just fine. So please explain to me why your OLDER version of photoshop suddenly doesn't work, just because something newer exists? You are not FORCED TO RENT ANYTHING. Adobe is not taking money out of your pocket, and they are not removing your older software. Since your workflow that works SOOOO well that you've had for SOOOOO LOOOOONG, still works with your version of photoshop, maybe you should be content with what you have. You know what's bad for small business? The constant need to compensate for poor quality work with the newest and shiniest gear.
I assume by the deletion of the comment, my message got through
'That car is too expensive, so I'll just steal it since I can't afford it and I need to get to work.' Terrific mindset to have.
That was hands down the worst analogy ever man
Please explain. Seemed pretty damn accurate to me
When you can't create because of your financial state. Illegally downloading is perfectly understandable and the case for most people on the internet who don't have $1,000 to spend on a bunch of adobe products.
Plenty of pro's are able to make enough to continue purchasing their products. If someone's business isn't viable enough to support itself, then its not a good business. Sucks, but thats not Adobe's fault.
Maybe someone like yourself should go through a SERIOUS recession and see how that works for you and your business. Spending an additional $50 (or more) each month JUST to access and edit your files is allot when you COULD have bought the software when times were good and owned the license. Then no worries when the times are tough.
Wrong again. You can do anything you want with your files, by purchasing a cheaper older version of photoshop. If you can't put out a good enough product without having THE BEST AND NEWEST EVERYTHING then again, sucks, but it's not Adobe's fault you don't know how to make do with what you have.
And for the record, I don't live in some magic recession repelling bubble, it hit me just as hard as it hit everyone else. No matter how bad I have it, that does not justify me stealing from someone else. If that's your twisted logic, why don't you go tell each and every one of those developers why you think their product isn't worth paying for, and why you are better than all of them.
It's their own fault for not making the car cost $10. I don't care if it cost $2k to make the car, $10 is all I have in my wallet, so thats all I'm willing to pay.
If it works the same as with the CS products, it's simply a matter of modifying the file that tells your computer the IP addresses that Adobe software uses to verify the software, and block connection to those IP's, and instead loop them around to a local address, which either tricks the software into thinking it connected to Adobe and everything is OK, or just confuses it and it waits to try again another time. I'm not really sure. I don't see how CC would be any different.
I Will stop cracking until they charge an affordable price to us... It's exactly what happened to the music industry, people trying to rip off our money and trying to became rich by charging tones and paying just a few hundreds dollars to the actual creative minds behind the photoshop and other software... Look at the apps in the iStore... I spend money on them cuz they're affordable and sometimes powerful enough... Solo think about it befor you go to sleep
Isn't $20 a month very reasonable?
For a piece of software I use for a total of, say, 4 hours a month... No. Completely unreasonable.
You must be the worst paid professional on the planet that can't afford $20 bucks a month. To freely admit you are a thief doesn't say much for your character either. Just sayin!
What about those of us that aren't professionals, either because we won't ever be (pursuing another career), or because they are just starting out?
If you say "you should be using photoshop if you can't afford it", you just told a broke college student to "stop learning a new skill, or open new creative possibilities that may or may not benefit you in the future".
That's a really unprofessional and pathetic attitude. Create something you're really proud of and you're hoping to sell and instead stick it on piratebay and let everyone have it for nothing, see how you feel then. If you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it. If you wanted a Van Gogh painting would you steal that too, simply because they're "charging tones"?
well this just got awkward....
"Show me someone who's not a parasite, and I'll say a prayer for him". --Bob Dylan
Adobe did come right out and say that they didn't switch to CC to stop pirates, but to be able to give a pseudo-financing option, and roll out upgrades more often. They know that making it *too* difficult to pirate would actually hurt their business, because of people like me, who learned on pirated copies, and went on to professional settings where they buy the software that employees know.
Nowadays, I pay for the CC service for my freelancing because I don't have time to worry about whether my software will work. There were way too many days in college when I tried to do my homework, only for the pirated version to be shut down. I can't risk that with paying clients.
Think about that when they tell you that your OS will need to be upgraded for the next release and we just went into the next recession. Renting software will come to bite people in the butt one day - and it won't take too long for that to happen.
Its called software people, its pry not a hard thing to do, you find out the file that tells the software where to connect to.... like every other version of CS then you alter the document so it loops. I don't even know how to code but Adobe doesn't even think of these types of things.
Why is anyone surprised? For every smart person working for Adobe, there's 100 smarter people floating around on the Internet.
And wasn't there a study awhile back that said that people that pirate on average spend more money on stuff like this than people who don't?
ha!