The Must Have Lens For Anyone Starting Out as a Professional Photographer

The Must Have Lens For Anyone Starting Out as a Professional Photographer

So you upgraded to a DSLR to take your photography to the next level and you now feel a strong urge to step into the big bad world of professional photography. You have the kit lenses, but you know they won’t cut it. Let me introduce you to the must-have kit lens of professional photographers.

Your Direction in Photography

When I transitioned from a hobby photographer to a part-time professional, I started off with model portfolio shoots and event photography. Then came weddings, portraits, editorial and commercial shoots and so on. A fair few of you will start off your professional photography career in a similar fashion. Or at least cover some aspects of the above-mentioned path.

When I was feeling that strong urge to make the jump to professional photography, I was given some great advice by a senior photographer: your next purchase needs to be a fixed aperture lens, preferably f/2.8 or lower. Upon further exploration of that advice, I fixed my gaze on a Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8. I saved up for it, bought it and can confidently say that it was the best return on investment I’ve had from a single piece of photography gear ever!

Hey Versatility, Meet Your Photography Twin

I call this my bread and butter lens. That’s because it may not be a specialist lens or rated top-notch at any of the focal lengths or have the creamiest bokeh, but you can use it to shoot events, weddings, portraits, editorials, products, travel, landscapes and so much more at a comfortably high quality. So versatile!

Reliability, Are You Sure Your Nickname Isn’t 24-70mm f/2.8?

Whatever the situation, whatever the lighting, this lens will deliver. Over the years, as I became better at photography, I relied more and more on primes and other specialized lenses. But if there is one lens I always carry, it’s the good old 24-70mm f/2.8. For example, in low light conditions, certain primes like the 50mm f/1.2 might struggle with auto-focus and when shooting an event or a wedding that can be a risky affair. I’ve found my 24-70mm f/2.8 to be much quicker in this regard.

Arguments Against Purchasing the 24-70mm f/2.8

“It is not as versatile as 24-105mm f/4”

One could argue for the 24-105mm f/4 as an alternative but I’ve found that extra stop between f/2.8 and f/4 to be a lifesaver many times. When I started shooting weddings, I came to understand why f/2.8 felt a whole lot more magical than f/4. For one, in low light situations that one stop of light made a huge difference if I wanted to maintain a reasonably low ISO and could not use external light (e.g in a low lit church during the ceremony). Secondly, I found f/2.8 to be a sweet spot between blurring the background to bring focus to my subject and not blurring my background so much that it loses context (e.g. shooting dynamic groups during events). Yes, at times I did wish that my lens also had a focal length of 105mm but it was always an easy compromise given its advantages over f/4.

“It makes you lazy as a photographer”

This probably has some truth in it. It’s a classic zoom lens and you can get comfortable with it. But if truth be completely told in context, when you’re starting out as a professional photographer, you are learning so many new things about your craft that it can be overwhelming at times. You can run out of poses for your client to do or your lighting may not be working with a particular scenario and on and on. You can allow yourself a crumb of comfort in the form of this lens as long as you keep developing your skills as a photographer. Moreover, I’m sure, further down your career, when you have the cash, you won’t mind honing your skills on your brand new bokehlicious 85mm f/1.2!

Pricing

The best part about this lens is that because it is so popular among professional photographers, pretty much every lens manufacturer has had a go making this lens. So you have a variety of prices (with some variation in quality) available to you. I won’t get into what is the “best” 24-70mm f/2.8 option out there but if you have one of the unenviable kit lenses that came with your starter DSLR, like the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, you will be better off with any of these options below. However, I do recommend hiring some of these out to try before you settle on a favorite.

The Best Starter

Tamron - from $1,199

I have found it to be slightly slower on the auto-focus compared to its peers along with a yellow-er skin tone. But overall, a great starter lens.

For the Experimenters

Sigma - from $1299

This one is about 200g heavier compared to it’s Tamron and Canon cousins but I’ve been impressed with its overall image quality.

The Thoroughbreds

Canon / Nikkon / Sony - from $1599

These are the steam engines of the business: quick, easy, rugged and either one would be a great investment for the long term.

On a side note, these lenses hold their monetary value quite well. So if you wanted to sell these a few years down the line, you’d still get a decent return on your original purchase.

Is there another lens you’re considering purchasing as your first on your way to becoming a professional photographer? Share your thoughts and opinions in the comments below.

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79 Comments

Marcus Wiseman's picture

I'm an APS-C photographer, so maybe my question is moot, but why not the Sigma 17-70 2.8 - 4.0?
Is it just that this one is a straight 2.8?

Nesh Soni's picture

Hi Marcus, I was also on APS-C when I first made the transition (with my Canon 400D). The Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 will give you some extra room when it comes to really wide shots and from what I can tell, it’s cheaper as well. Yay to both of those! On the other hand, you would miss out on the depth of field you’d get at the 70mm end at 2.8 along with that extra stop of light. Moreover, I would also compare the overall quality for both. In fact, if price is an issue, see if you can get a second hand 24-70 f/2.8 from a reliable source.

Karim Hosein's picture

The amount of bokeh one would miss out on with f/2.8 vs f/4.0 at 70‪mm is insignificant. What is more important is the low-light work, not the bokeh.

Tom Reichner's picture

Good point. With the high ISO capability of today's cameras, "fast" lenses aren't valuable because of the shutter speeds they permit you to shoot at. That was the case back in the olden days, but is no longer relevant. Today, wide apertures are valuable because of the shallow depth of field they facilitate and because they permit more light for increased autofocusing performance.

Charles Burgess's picture

I have to disagree that "fast lenses aren't valuable...or relevant" The ISO capability of today's cameras still invoke noise issues and the "olden days" fundamentals where the lower ISO you can work with results in the best images. It still is all about how much light you can actually utilize, instead of compensating/compromising with higher ISO.The lenses from those "olden days" are still relevant and still work their magic on today's camera bodies.

Imagine a writer using pen and ink and deciding to use less ink than required, and cannot finish writing his essay. This analogy likens photographic "light" to the ink the writer uses. Higher ISO can be likened to writing using just dots - like in pointillism in drawing - requiring the reader to connect the dots to read the composition: the gaps between the ink dots is the noise that high ISO can render into the image.

Anyone who has read the triad by Ansel Adams, The Negative, The Camera, and The Print, has the fundamental understanding that the Negative (today the camera's sensor/raw image file) has to record all of the image information you want and need. This requires all the light you can muster - thus the primary reason for fast glass. Photography is after all "writing with light".

Marcus Wiseman's picture

Thanks, Nesh - I appreciate the reply. Yours and everyone else's! ;-)

Nathan Chilton's picture

I consider a 24-70mm far more useful on APS-C anyway (for people photography).

Michael Kuszla's picture

I've leave my Nikon 17-55mm F2.8, to stick with the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8. It's not as versatile, but, even when I travel, I needed to go forward, to be more creative.
To be honnest, if I had a 18mm f1.8 on Nikon APS-C, I would choose it.

So for now? What's in my bag when I'm traveling? (well, even everyday, I just use this three lenses...)
Sigma 18-35mm f1.8
Nikkor 50mm f1.4 (FF)
Nikon 85mm f1.4 (FF)

The choice of prime 85mm for traveling seems to be obvious, but on APS-C, the frame become a ~120mm. And even if this is a particular lens, I can shoot, portrait, landscape, lifestyle, shoot details and many more.

Finally the must have is the lens that suits you. Not the sharpest or the widest range.
To find you lens, I suggest to take a look to your photo library, and to check the number of photographies per lens.
For me, for the last 12 years, I mostly use 28mm, 50mm, 85mm (from zooms and prime lenses). 28mm FF stay my to-go lens. But my uses are not the same as yours.

Nesh Soni's picture

That's a great suggestion however, there are also people out there how only own kit lenses and don't quite know what their chosen niche in photography is going to be two years from now. For them, going with something like a 24-70mm f/2.8 can be a good starting point.

Michael Kuszla's picture

Anything starts with a 24-70mm :)

Tom Reichner's picture

No, this is not at all the case. I think your statement is too narrow-minded. I shoot wildlife and sports action. Those genres do not "start with a 24-70". In fact, a 24-70 is pretty much useless for everything I shoot.

Charles Burgess's picture

Soni did preface his observations with "... I started off with model portfolio shoots and event photography. Then came weddings, portraits, editorial and commercial shoots and so on. A fair few of you will start off your professional photography career in a similar fashion. Or at least cover some aspects of the above-mentioned path." Among the vast majority of photographers, most had a similar path in their development as a photographer. In the paragraph following the above quote, Soni wrote "...fixed aperture lens...", which is the entire point of the article. His selection of the 24-70mm-f/2.8 was based upon the photography that he was doing at the time, and still does. You issue with the 24-70 is only about the focal length, which is mostly determined by how close you can be in relation to the subject. A f/2.8 fixed aperture lens with the focal length you need in wildlife and sports action photography is still a valid point, as it will hold the aperture setting no matter how much you zoom in or out.

Bill R's picture

He's right and wrong. I must have lens. The Tamron 24-70 2.8 G2 is not a starter lens. It is better than the latest Nikon lens and less than half the price. The autofocus is fast and its vibration control is the best on the market. Far better tthan Nikon or Sigma. It is also has a good build quality and after one year of use, I'm happy with it, inlcuding the colour of the subjects I shoot. I wouldn't spend the money that Nikon charges. Other reviewers on FStoppers have said pretty much the same thing about Tamron's G2 series of lenses.

Nesh Soni's picture

I would also not spend the money that Nikon charges, but then again I shoot Canon ;)

Mike Stern's picture

Gosh. That first sentence, “So you upgraded to a DSLR to take your photography to the next level and you now...”
Is this article 9 years old? Who upgrades to DSLR today?

Andy Day's picture

Canon still sells tens of thousands of Rebels every year, so I guess quite a few!

Daniel Sandvik's picture

I would upgrade from my DSLR to a DSLR.

Brian Albers's picture

‘Who upgrades to DSLR today?’

People who have been using their phone their whole lives, but want to make the jump to a dslr system with all the interchangeable lenses and the bigger sensors…

Nesh Soni's picture

Hahaha, Mike, love the drama in your assessment! If you haven't already, you should give writing a go.

Karim Hosein's picture

I think I need to add context here for all those replying to the thread.

«So you upgraded to a DSLR….»
Past-tense. It has already happened.

«…You have the kit lenses….»
Which means that this is not a plan to purchase. You already got, and have been using the kit lenses.

«…but you know they won’t cut it.»
Using them long enough to know that you need better.

«…to take your photography to the next level …feel a strong urge to step into …professional photography.»
You decided you are good enough or knowledgeable enough to go pro.

This is NOT someone coming from a iPhone or Huawei to a pro-level camera. This is someone who has a pro-level camera, wanting pro-level lenses. No one goes from shooting with a phone to, “Hey, I want to go pro!” They go from shooting with a phone to, “Hey, I want a real camera to be better at my hobby.”

Which still begs the question, “what did they upgrade from, to a pro-level DSLR?” Not a phone. It must have been another DSLR, or MILC. (But why go from a MILC to a DSLR)?

It is a good question. I think the author must have meant, “So you upgraded your DSLR,…” or perhaps, “So you upgraded to a DSLR to take your photography to the next level and you now feel a strong urge to upgrade again to step into….” Either of those would have been a better starter sentence.

Charles Burgess's picture

Good points to ponder. My take on Mike Stern's comment was it is satire/humor of the type that makes the reader think deeper...which you did quite well and can be the basis of some really thoughtful discussion.

In my case, I upgraded to a DSLR from a SLR (within the same brand so that I can use all the old glass). I still use a TLR 6x6 too. Yep, I started with analog film. Now, even though I am using digital tools, my creative thought process is still an analog workflow.

Why the SLR format? I could never get my head/heart around not having the visual isolation provided by the SLR viewfinder or the older style view camera (Adams et. al.) with its hood. Even when shooting tethered, my monitor is shrouded on the top and sides to allow me to only see the framing of the shot. Additionally, I love the audible aesthetics of the D/SLR mirror fluttering...which provides me with ton's of visual/audible enjoyment as a photographer. That is mostly why I probably will never go with MILC (notice that I said "probably").

Karim Hosein's picture

Good point. I also upgraded from an SLR to a DSLR, also kept brand for lenses, …but I was already pro before the upgrade, with pro glass.

Regarding analog workflow, I keep insisting to others that the shift from emulsion to silicon film was not a great paradigm shift in photography. Things may be easier to do with a computer instead of a darkroom, but all the old principles still apply.

Your feedback was very insightful. Thanks.

Tom Reichner's picture

Today, people still upgrade from their cell phone cameras to DSLRs. I know two people locally who bought DSLRs for the first time within past year. I also know two other people in my regional photography club who upgraded from bridge cameras to DSLRs within the past year and a half. Those are the people who upgrade to DSLRs.

Charles Burgess's picture

I still use film cameras for some medium format work....still waiting for a medium format digital camera that has comparable gamut.

Paul Lindqvist's picture

Kind of pointless as it depends on so many factors, it's not like a specific lens is a "must" to become professional. It all depends on what and how you shoot.

The first rule is always if you do not know what kind of lens you need, you simply don't need one. What you need is more experience and knowledge, when you have that you won't have to ask.

To get this experience and knowledge using what you have and loan/rent glass is a perfect option, or if you have the budget buy and sell.

Nesh Soni's picture

Paul, I see where you're coming from. I agree that you need more experience and knowledge before you jump to become a pro. I just feel that kit lenses are limited in what they can offer in terms of education. Beyond a certain point, as long as you can afford it, you're better off taking a leap of faith and invest in good quality glass to take your photography knowledge further. And I feel that the 24-70mm f/2.8 is great in that regard as well.

John P's picture

When exactly was it that 2.8 was a “lifesaver” compared to f4? I mean if your life was saved because your wedding clients were happy with the shots where you could use iso 800 instead of 1600 say, 5, 7, 8 years ago then they will still be happy if you use a 24-105 f4 now because camera sensors have gotten so much better in low light that even 3200 is as good as 800 8 years ago. I’ve found that 24-105 is these days a better choice in a 1 camera lens set up. Much better reach. As far as bokeh is concerned, the 105 end of 24-105 at f4 has less DOF and more apparent “bokeh” because of the compression than 70 2.8. Yes, you have to step further back but then again if you’re in a tight space and you have more than 1 person in the shot (usually the case at a wedding) then f4 will more often than not be the “lifesaver”, not 2.8.If you really want that fashionable wide angle bokehlicious look then 2.8 won’t do it anyway, you need a 24mm 1.4 for that. If you have the money, 24-105 on one body and and a 50 or 85 1.8 on the other is best. The 24-105 is lighter than the great hulking 24-70 and 50 or 85 1.8 on the other weighs nothing. If you can’t afford it then the 24-105 is, these days, a great choice.

Yin Ze's picture

Its a lifesaver for some because the f2.8 lets in more light for the autofocus to work a little better. I have the 24-70 and have used the 24-105. Glad I got the f2.8 for the zoom but after getting the 50/1.4 and 35/1.4 f2.8 and especially F four are slooooow....

Oli Aponte's picture

I'm pretty sure that the fstop range or current setting doesnt have any sort of effect on focusing in low light. Lenses are wide open everytime you look inside the viewfinder of a DSLR

Yin Ze's picture

ITS SIMPLY PHYSICS: MORE LIGHT FOR THE AF SENSOR TO WORK WITH AT F2.8. TRY SHOOTING WITH A F5.6 LENS WIDE OPEN AND LET US KNOW HOW WELL IT PERFORMS IN LOW LIGHT OR SUBOPTIMAL CONDITIONS.

Charles Burgess's picture

Yin Ze, your comment about F2.8 vs a 5.6 in low light conditions (we need to quote candle power to be precise) is a very good description of what I've experienced, one of the main reasons I change lenses during a shoot. Attach a lens filter always reduces how much light enters a lens, thus making the 5.6 even slower, even to the point that AF does not function as well.

Charles Burgess's picture

Oli Aponte, "Lenses are wide open everytime you look inside the viewfinder of a DSLR" is only true to a point. Whether AF or manual focus mode, low light scenarios can be challenging. The higher the f/stop, the darker the image in the viewfinder is (and that is not factoring in any lens filter(s) attached. If you need a circular polarizer filter, you lose on average about 1.5 f/stops in front of the lens. Having a lens with a lower f/stop capability allows the photographer much more flexibility in the shot.

jeff schwartz's picture

My preference would be for a 70-200 f2.8 as I don't shoot portraits or weddings.

chrisrdi's picture

Yup. That's the lens i use 80% of the time.

g coll's picture

24-70 is more versatile than the 70-200.

Karim Hosein's picture

What does “more versatile” mean? They are both approximately 2.9× zooms.

As a portrait photographer, the 70-200‪mm —50-200‪mm in my case, APS-C— is far “more versatile,” and most often used, (my 18-50‪mm hardly ever being touched). As an event photographer, it matters as to what kind of event, but still usually the 50-200‪mm works. (Typically, a 50-135‪mm f/2.8 for APS-C).

The term, “more versatile” has to be applied to a specific context, and, as such, becomes meaningless.

g coll's picture

It doesn’t have to be applied to a specific context. It’s more versatile because it can be used in a wider range of photography areas/jobs/whatever.

Karim Hosein's picture

It is not wide enough for real-estate, not long enough for wildlife, sports, headshots (without coming in close, and having perspective distortion), not versatile enough for landscapes, (it covers from just not wide enough to just not long enough)…. It misses quite a lot. I can go on, but I concede this….

It is great for street, photo journalism, and indoor events. It is not “as versatile” as a 28-300‪mm f/3.5-5.6 all-in-one zoom. Even a 18-135‪mm F/3.5-5.6 (APS-C) or a 16-85‪mm f/3.5-5.6 (APS-C) is “more versatile”, «because it can be used in a wider range of photography areas/jobs/whatever.»

Over 70% of the time, I use the 50-200‪mm (75-300‪‪mm F-type equivalent), so the 24-70 (or the 18-50‪mm APS-C) would not be “as versatile” if I were to speak in terms of «a wider range of photography jobs,» where most of my jobs are portraits, and outside corporate events.

So, yes, context is very important to decide “versatile” as, by your definition, the long member of the trinity is more versatile in my set of jobs than the middle man. I have 5,164 images taken with my K-3 between 18-47‪mm, and 8,411 taken between 55-200‪mm, with 3,127 taken at 50‪mm (rated at 3-stars or higher). This means that most of my best shots wee taken at 50-200‪mm, proving its versatility. Indeed, most of the images taken with the 18-50‪mm were product, tabletop, landscape, indoor events, flora, documentary, and environmental portraits. Funny thing is that even then, most of my flora, fauna, product, table-top, and landscapes, were taken with the 50-200‪mm. The 18-50‪mm only out-did it in documentary, indoor events, and environmental portraits.

Some other photographer may show most of their best shots at the 16-24‪mm range, the short end of the trinity, displaying the great versatility of that lens. The question now becomes, “why is their a difference between them and me?” The answer is, “context.” They may also be a portrait photographer, like me, but maybe they tend to shoot mostly environmental portraits in close proximity to the subject for intimacy.

g coll's picture

TLDR sorry. I can tell you’re hellbent on proving me wrong.

g coll's picture

And it’s actually laughable you’re comparing a 3.5-5.6 to a 2.8. Good glass only please. You’ve missed the point.

Karim Hosein's picture

«…hellbent on proving….»
Why do people who are not giving good arguments always conclude that the other person is nothing but a troll? Bring an actual meaningful thought to the discussion. The troll is the one who has nothing meaningful to say.

«… comparing a 3.5-5.6 to a 2.8.»
What is wrong with a 3.5-5.6? Can't get bokeh? WRONG! Can't get low-light photos? MOSTLY WRONG!

Most people shooting with a 24-70‪mm or 70-200‪mm f/2.8 hardly shoot at f/2.8. Why? Not enough DoF! Unless one requires extremely short exposure times, plus extremely wide apertures, and have very low light, a trifecta which rarely comes up, it is a great hypothetical.

Shooting wildlife? Focus stacking is out. DoF required. Shooting sports? Likewise. The beautiful thing about sports, is that low EI settings are not necessary. (…And short exposure times are also not always necessary). The beautiful thing about wildlife is that, for most of them, super short exposure times are not necessary. (…And it may be nice to avoid super shallow DoF also). May be necessary for concert photography, though, where the stage is dark, the movement is both fast and unpredictable, and the background can be distracting.

But let's look into what we are discussing; the versatility of a given lens for a person just getting into (unspecified) pro-photography. Yes, I will compare an f/3.5 wide, to f/5.6 long, to an f/2.8 constant. Why? because at the wide end, the DoF is of no consequence, and at the long end, the background separation becomes easy. The only issue is low-light performance, and that is NOT the big issue for the general shooter with no specific genre or style.

Most people shoot either outside in bright sun, or inside with strobes. Either case, low-light is NOT a problem. That is why, when speaking of “more versatile,” context is necessary. Let me go again to my 3-star or more collection. only 1,317 (about 7%) images are less than f/3.5 (all lenses included, wide, normal, & tele, and zoom & primes). For less than f/5.6, that number climbs to 5,432 (about 32%). The vast majority lie at f/5.6, followed by f/8.0, then f/11.0, f/4.5, f/4.0, then f/7.1. Only 101 at f/2.8, (Mostly darkly lit venues, and street photography after sunset), and about 224 at f/1.7, same situation, with my 50‪mm prime).

You see, the vast majority of my images are shot at or near the “sweetspot” for my aperture on any given lens. So, yes, I will do that comparison any given day!

…Unless some context is given to, “versatile.”

g coll's picture

You’re not comparing like with like. It’s not about the bokeh or Dof. And you come across as too argumentative to have a meaningful discussion with. I stand by my comment that the 24-70 2.8 is one of the most versatile high quality lenses you can buy. None of you’re anecdotal points will change my mind. Btw in the last 20 years I’ve worked in almost every field of photography you can name.

Karim Hosein's picture

«…one of the most versatile high quality….»
Ah! No you are qualifying it. I agree with that statement.

…But that is NOT what you said earlier. Previously, there was no context at all. Now you have qualified it with some context, and I cannot disagree with that new statement at all.

g coll's picture

When I say "one of the most" I mean it is the first choice lens I would recommend for a new photographer looking to start a business. As, when starting a new photography business you must be completely diverse and open to any kind of photography work you can get your hands on. You won't be specialising for quite a while so no need for specific genre related lenses. In short, when starting off, buy the 24-70 2.8 and rent anything else.

Karim Hosein's picture

«When I say "one of the most" I mean….»
You should say what you mean.

«…first choice lens I would recommend….»
Not a problem. I would also recommend that if people can afford it, get the zoom trinity, starting with the one most suited to one's preferred genre, then eventually the other two. For some, like those loving wildlife and sports, would be the long member. For others, like those into real-estate or architecture, it would be the short one.

They can always rent the other two until they can afford them.

«… and rent anything else.»
Good point, but I thought we were discussing the one lens that they MUST have, from the title, “The Must Have Lens For Anyone Starting Out as a Professional Photographer.”

«As, when starting a new photography business you must be completely diverse….»
I respectfully disagree. No one wants to hire a macro photographer for their wedding, or a wedding photographer for their product shoot, nor a product photographer for their corporate event. I feel that one ought not put themself in a box, but when one is ready to go professional, one ought to have already picked a favourite genre and run with it.

As the article said, “When I transitioned …to a part-time professional, I started off with model portfolio shoots …event photography. Then …weddings, portraits, editorial and commercial shoots….” There is always a starting point, no matter where it eventually takes one. One needs to have what it takes at the start. The 24-70‪mm f/2.8 is a great lens for model portfolio shoots. …but so is the 24-105‪mm f/4.0, a much more versatile lens with a one stop difference.

The one stop loss, and the very —insignificantly— slightly deeper DoF is not an issue for model portfolio shooting, (as one wants focus from the ears to the nose), and more versatile for those distortion-free head shots. With strobes at hand, —and who shoots model portfolios without strobes, except maybe Jessica K, (love that girl)— low-light situations is not an issue.

«You won't be specialising for quite a while so no need for specific genre related lenses.»
Which is why I suggested the super zooms. Far more versatile if there is no context of genre. Losing ⅔ stop at the wide end, and 2 stops at the long end is not an issue. Getting slightly deeper DoF is not an issue. Reaching further than 70‪mm and getting more than 24‪mm is a far more important when all genres are under consideration.

In short, buy the super zoom, and, in the rare case you need something longer, or wider, or “faster”, rent it.

…Unless one already has a preferred genre, in which case, buy the lens best suited for that genre. This is why context is important for the word, “versatile.” Text without context is a pretext.

g coll's picture

As I already thought you’re far too argumentative to bother with and one of these types who pick apart every statement to try and prove it wrong. You’re also, I can tell, a last word freak. Yes. You are.

There’s been a few like you around this site and they, without fail, end up getting banned because they simply do not know how to post a reply without pissing off the person they are replying to.

Regardless of your point, the way you construct your replies - picking apart the post line by line, statement by statement is extremely annoying.

I can predict that you will not last long on this site.

It’s not what you say, it’s how you go about it. But you’re clearly low in EQ so I doubt this reply of mine will make an lines of difference.

I’m done.

Karim Hosein's picture

Oooh! Good response! Clever.

I am only discussing one thing, and one thing only; the use of the term, “versatile,” without context. The one time you gave context, We agreed! We did! You made a statement with context, and I agreed! (In fact, I agreed with you several times in your previous post, but I guess you missed that and only saw…. I don't know what you saw).

Then YOU, —yes, you— chose to try and tear me down, and now I am the bad guy?!? I am the one who will get banned?!? I am the one doing wrong?!?

I was not insulting. I used no derogatory tones. I was not disrespectful. I had valid points, which I stated as precisely as I could to avoid misunderstandings. …And I should get banned, because you are annoyed at not being able to follow my premises and conclusions?

I do not understand why you are so upset about me, and think that I am the bad guy (and an argumentative freak with an obvious low EQ ;-) ), but you really are under no obligation whatsoever to respond. Bare in mind, however, that when one makes a public post on a public forum, and someone else thinks that one's premises are faulty, or ones resonings are fallacious, or one's conclusions are premature, or anything else, that someone else is free to also comment on the same public forum. I have violated no rules.

If you have something to say as to why “versatile” does not need context, or why your assertion that lens, x, is “more versatile” than lens y in any and all situations, context not necessary, then please feel fee to elaborate, (but expect me, or someone else, to feel free to either agree, —as I did before— or respectfully disagree —as I did before).

I go line by line in my replies —and not every line— so that when I give a response, people will know to what precisely I am responding. It is far more difficult to follow a conversation when one has no idea as to why a certain thing was said or suggested.

Insulting me for having a dialogue is not respectful. If you cannot have a respectful dialogue, then don't. I have my choices, and you have yours. We can both decide to respond or remain silent.

Nesh Soni's picture

The 70-200mm f/2.8 has to be my most used lens. However, if I was going into a shoot with a few unknowns (tightness of space, number of people, how wide will I need to shoot, etc.) and I could only carry one lens, it would, without a doubt be the 24-70mm f/2.8. So the "versatility" has to be seen from a perspective of a newcomer jumping into professional photography and being able to only afford one lens in the beginning. Try taking that 70-200 into an 18th birthday party in a bar! The 24-70mm on the other hand.... :)

Karim Hosein's picture

Try taking that 24-70‪mm into a wildlife reserve or a sports arena. The 100-400‪mm f/4.5-5.6 on the other hand…. ;-)

«So the "versatility" has to be seen from a perspective of a newcomer jumping into professional photography….»
But we are talking here NOT about a newcomer to photography, but a newcomer to the professional world. He already has some idea of where he is going. “Versatile” has to be seen from that perspective. From the perspective of the writer, starting professionally in model portfolio shoots, the 24-70‪mm was a good bet.

Andy Day's picture

Worth mentioning: if you want results at the widest aperture, spend some money. I bought a second hand Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 IF EX DG HSM for my Canon as a stop-gap a few years ago and regret it to this day. At f/2.8 it's fairly useless.

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