Diana by Eric Kai
Eric Kai's picture

Diana

November 30, 2018

Models test for Diana

35mm · f/8.0 · 1/160s · ISO 160
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Her legs are not proportionate to her body; very unflattering. Should have used a much longer lens and compressed the image.

Eric Kai's picture

Thanks for your honest opinion.

1. The main idea behind mine decision of focal length and angle was to make a person look strong and powerful, and such setup really does it's job.

2. How could you know her real height or legs length?

3. It was kinda small studio place, so max focal length i could go was only 70mm which doesn't worked for me.

4. And this picture got much more issues than just disproportional legs.

Have a nice day.

Whether or not her legs are shown in correct proportion to her body, the image still portrays an unflattering out of proportion to what is considered normal and sexy.

To answer your question more directly, her feet are disproportionately large, her hands are disproportionately small, her right foot is the same width as her neck, those are the easiest and most obvious. There are more if you need to know.

Thomas Winkelmeyer's picture

...thats art. Would you discuss the proportion of the body with Plato?

Love it because of DISproportion.

Eric Kai's picture

Yeah, who said photography should be reflection of reality? And if so, the real question what is the true reality?

David Neesley's picture

Let the back pedaling begin

Sennia Kyle's picture

"normal and sexy" lol

I like the image a lot and I don't see it as unflattering at all. This is very common in fashion photography where the point isn't to make the Person Look Exactly As They Are (and to fit into someone else's outdated and arbitrary idea of "normal and sexy") but to create a compelling image that shows off, above everything else, the clothing. It may not be technically correct but it still works, but also, I suspect the technically correct compression would have been boring here. Good job. I like the black & white conversion you did too.

Eric Kai's picture

Thanks you for your kind words and opinion.You probably got the idea completely right.

This shooting was kind of test.
Lighting setup for me, and model test for Diana.

No specific conversion just desaturation, the light setup done all the rest. =)
It took me quite a while to "calibrate" the light sources and flags the way I like.

Low angle wide shot was a simple decision - to help her look more strong and powerful.
And made her legs look a bit longer. Girls are typically happy with such things , you know,

Personally I don't really like look of the bra in this shot, it kinda pops a bit too much.
And I knew she was not really happy with idea it to be removed, so I decided not to bother her with it.
And the backdrop was kinda muddy around the chair, so next time i should unroll it a bit longer.

Please, excuse me for my bad English and have a great day!

Andy Barnham's picture

Love this shot. For those not used to fashion shots or claim the model's legs are not proportionate; some models have incredibly long legs.

Eric; I agree, the shot would have been better without the bra. In the past if a model has been uncomfortable about clothing, I've ensured they've had a safe space to change, and they get into position/ location on an empty set or with the help of another girl.

Eric Kai's picture

She used to be offended by another male photographer in the past. You know that type of one's who consider being a photographer as a pick up ability. That's why she asked to avoid any kind of nudity on the session.

That's how someones inappropriate behavior gives consequences not only on their owns.

I usually build a little square out of two flags so models could use it as a small dressing room and not worry about changing look on set.

Eric, I love the shot!!! Screw the haters!!! It reminds me of shots by Helmut Newton and photos I have seen in Vogue.

I like the shot too. What I don't like is when honest, blunt critics are categorized as "haters". They are not haters simply for offering constructive criticism.

Mark, I am on the fence when it comes to criticism. Some of it is legit and some of it is just being picky or mean.

I hear you. It's a tough call. I made a comment on a similar model a few months ago that drew criticism for being mean and petty. In my mind I was just offering constructive criticism . .but I neglected to sugar coat it.

Eric Kai's picture

I am super curios to take a look back at that shot.

https://fstoppers.com/photo/300272#comment-424205
OK .. I was a bit blunt. But a bad pose is a bad pose. Still, I immediately regretted getting involved, seeing as I was immediately seen as a hater. The times we live in. You're either all in or all out .. no middle ground.

Eric Kai's picture

I personally don't consider you as a hater. Don't judge someone's comment to serious. Light setup is kinda similar, but on that picture he's using soft light and here I used a harsh one.

Mark, my ire is directed at Brian Cover's never ending critique. If you don't like it fine, but I have a huge problem with I can't find enough bad things to say about ... Especially the "There are more if you need to know." comment. Are you being helpful or just being an asshole.

Eric Kai's picture

Agreed I personally like adequate critics because it's a true force to move any art ahead. Cheers ;)

Eric Kai's picture

Omg, I don't think it is even as close as Helmut's masterpieces =) .But, your comment is a real pleasure for me, thanks.

Eric, there is a lot to like on both of your shots of Diana. The light is excellent, I can see the texture in the jacket and you are not afraid to do something different.

Eric Kai's picture

Thank you. *high five*

Phil Cornwall's picture

Love it, Eric!

Eric Kai's picture

Thanks Phil, to be honest - never thought this picture would have so much positive feedback 🙃

Phil Cornwall's picture

I just feel that artistic impression is what differentiates a good photograph from an image that shows creativity and imagination. Proportion is not what is important about this image. The great lighting, the expression and pose of the model lured me in and made me smile! Carry on!

Eric Kai's picture

I'm really glad to know that my photograph could make someone smile. Thanks will do. =)