Let's Make an End to All Those Pointless Camera Discussions

Let's Make an End to All Those Pointless Camera Discussions

I keep on wondering about the discussions of photographic enthusiast about camera technology and brands. Some enthusiasts even react very angrily at brands they used to have, or at other people when they mention some sort of shortcomings of their new camera. I would think a camera is just a tool… isn’t it?

Modern cameras are a wonder of technology. The possibilities are almost endless and every year manufacturers think of new options that were thought almost impossible. It makes taking photos easier, and often more difficult at the same time. Cameras need to be configured to address the personal wishes of the photographer. Menus have sub menus, and sub menus have their own sub menus. Everything can be customized and buttons assigned. Screens have been introduced in the viewfinder, rendering mirrors and pentaprism unnecessary.

I do like all the technological progress. It makes it possible to acquire the wanted result more efficiently, or easily. In some occasions it makes photos possible that weren’t possible before. I always think the technology must be in service of the photographer, and not the goal in itself. It is the same about camera brand. Why should that be important if the tool you use gets the job done?

Of course, there is a difference between all those camera brands. One camera has more options than others, and one brand may use a different technology than the other. An amazing face-AF and eye-AF may be perfect for a portrait or wedding photographer, while the landscape photographer couldn’t care less. Just like shooting 20 frames per seconds. It's just a small part of photography that will benefit fully from this possibility. The same is for a huge dynamic range. A landscape photographer that uses HDR techniques and filters will almost never have the need for that kind dynamic range, while the wedding photographer could benefit from it.

The thing I am trying to make clear is that those technologies and possibilities of a camera may be amazing, but no photographer will ever make use of every single option; they just use the part that is important for their kind of photography. And of course, it is amazing if your camera can shoot with a dynamic range of 14 stops or more, or if that camera can shoot 20 frames per second, or has face-AF and eye-AF that can even recognize and choose between persons. But that technology does not determine a good photo. And that is exactly why I am writing this article. When you change brands or buy a new camera that has features that aren’t available in the other camera, it does not mean that your photos are becoming better, or that the other camera is suddenly a bad one. But that is exactly what I hear and read way too often.

I had a participant at one of my masterclasses that had changed brands. He used to shoot with a Canon EOS 5D mark III and replaced it by a Sony A7R III. When we talked about that decision he mentioned it was the best decision he ever made, because his pictures never had that amount of detail, and his new camera had eye-AF, and a large dynamic range, and buttons that could be customized, and there was no mirror anymore, and so on. Since he switched to the other brand, the previous one was suddenly a bad camera, that couldn’t make any good pictures. Since I still use Canon, he was basically saying that I could not make a decent picture with my camera.

I have heard stories like this about Nikon users that went to Fujifilm, or Canon users that switched to Sony, or a Canon user that switched to Fujifilm and partly back again, and about DSLR users that switch to mirrorless. And a lot of them are telling the result of the new camera or brand is so much better than the previous one. If this is true, they basically tell us they have never made a good photo before.

If your camera technology or brand is responsible for a good photo, I am wondering what the criteria of good photos are. Is a good photo determined by the newest technology, like a special AF option build in the camera, or an electronic viewfinder instead of an optical one, or 14 stops of dynamic range instead of 12 stops? Or is the technology just a way to retrieve a photo with a little bit more ease?

I know of a good macro photographer who uses a (relatively cheap) DSLR, with a simple macro lens that is absolutely not top of the line, but who is taking photos that are really amazing and award winning. I once had a participant at my Lofoten photo tour that was making amazing shots, with wonderful compositions, but without the "best of the best" camera brand or latest camera technology.

I have been writing for Fstoppers for about half a year, and I have written articles about both photographic techniques and camera reviews. The funny thing is, when it comes down to articles that cover technique, just a few people seem to be interested. But when I write about a camera, or about a certain brand, or an expensive flashgun, people keep on coming back with comments. A lot of them are defending their choice of brand as being the only thing that is good, or burning down the other brand. Photographers that have switched brands are perhaps the worst, just like my example of that masterclass participant.

I have been taking photographs since I was ten years old. I started with a Praktica Super TL and eventually switched to Minolta because I could afford that one. When I finally switched to digital photography I wanted to have a Nikon, and bought a Canon because for me it felt better. And I have stayed with Canon ever since. I do camera reviews on a regular basis and get to know a lot of other brands and technologies. I have used Fujifilm (X100t, X70, X-Pro2, GFX-50s, XT-2), Nikon (D500, D810, Z 7), and Sony (A9, A7R III). I had the opportunity to shoot with the Hasselblad X1D-50c and the Leica SL for a while, and I reviewed the Panasonic G9, GX9, and the S1. And of course different Canon cameras like the new EOS R. I still use the Canon EOS 5D mark IV for my work as a landscape and wedding photographer and I am happy with it. I wouldn’t want to change it for any other camera I have reviewed, no matter if it is a Sony, Nikon, Hasselblad, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Leica, or any other one. The camera I use gets the job done, just like any of the other brands would do.

So I wish people wouldn't argue so much about the newest cameras, the best brands, the best technology; but rather about the techniques that can be used for making better pictures. Because better pictures aren’t made by a brand or technology, just like the images in this article will show. I bet you never guess what kind of camera these were made with (you have read how many cameras I have used). But you may guess if you like.

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Nando Harmsen is a Dutch photographer that is specialized in wedding and landscape photography. With his roots in the analog photo age he gained an extensive knowledge about photography techniques and equipment, and shares this through his personal blog and many workshops.

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I live by one mantra: "Content is king" Meaning: what's in front of my camera is the only thing that REALLY matters.

Good article, and I couldn't agree more. However, the arguments are largely driven by cognitive dissonance, which is in turn exploited by the marketing departments of manufacturers. It is also noteworthy that sites such as Fstoppers measure engagement, as opposed to the quality of that engagement.

Equipment discussions are boring. Please note that very few female photographers play in this game of gadget ball. It’s something in the male psyche that has a need to demonstrate that his tool is bigger, better and faster than another man’s. If you don’t believe me, just ask any woman.

Good point...

This is so true. Women seem to buy what they need and just use it. Have you ever seen a woman argue about bokeh, edge sharpness or micro-contrast (what ever the hell that is)?

Oh yes. You can find them if you look good enough. But it is way more difficult finding them compared to the men... ;)

But...if we stop talking about it then we'll really have to just shut up and do the work....

Hahaha! yup!

hahaha indeed

Counter point - everyone else's choice is wrong and mine is right! /s

Articles which present one system as better than another tend to drive a lot of attention, which only encourages media (blogs/websites/YouTube etc.) to keep pushing those articles. I think the real issue is people take camera choice personally as if someone choosing a different brand is some sort of judgement on their reasoning ability. People reading these articles seem (to me) to fall into a limited number of camps - those trying to educate their next camera purchase decision, those seeking to defend their previous camera purchasing decision... and maybe people who've got the popcorn ready for the comments section.

The end result of this is that articles which make comments on the usability of one system over another get more traction than articles that don't, because people take it as a slight or are seeking more information. As an example, DPReview recently published an article which compared the a7iii, Z6 and S1, while suggesting that the EOS R wasn't included because they didn't feel it was competitive with those other cameras. Have a peek at those comments - people do seem to take that position personally, and the context of that article resulted in >530 comments compared with far far fewer average comments on most other articles. Obviously people are finding reasons to read and comment on that article, so why wouldn't DPReview allow a bit of controversy? It's clearly driving engagement.

I think as long as people take camera choice personally, these articles will keep being released and the frothing anger between some users of different brands will continue to brew. I'm not sure it's fair to expect people to change how they're going to react to those statements, so as the cycle continues I'll just suggest that people try to be good to each other. Everyone has their reason for what they use - leave them to it.

I wondered about that article on DPReview also. Didn't read the comments though. Unfortunately the articles keep these discussions, online and offline, alive. But then again; these can help you decide which camera you should buy if you need another one. On the other hand, it could convince people their camera isn't good enough (anymore).
Indeed... leave them to it... That is the best thing to do.

I've a novel idea: rent a particular brand of camera and try it out first. If it meets your requirements, then purchase it. If it doesn't, try renting another brand. I've done that with all the cameras (D850, D500, G9, and RX10 IV) I own. I don't rely one someone else's opinion...ever!

Nice work. #7 and #10 are my favorites.

Thank you... and it doesn't matter what kind of camera was used for these.

People I know who spend the most time researching gear and arguing about gear never end up taking many photos or video and just end up blaming the camera or the piece of equipment they don't have yet.

Exactly

When people talk to me about camera brands, I first point out that any modern DSLR can make a great photograph. Some are shocked when I don't recommend what I'm using. I first find out what they want to shoot, what they can spend, then give them the pros and cons of each (from what I know about them). I tell them that cameras are tools, pick the right tool for the job. Every camera has its pros and cons.

Everyone should do this

"Let's Make an End to All Those Pointless Camera Discussions" from a blog that thrives on promoting and monitoring pointless camera discussions and weekly excoriates those of us who haven't upgraded to Sony mirrorless. :|

Thanks Pat.

I'd rather drink a banana milkshake.

I prefer strawberry, that is the best.... :D

Chocolate is the best... but it would be a waist to use it for a milkshake. I like it pure. The banana is good to combine it with vanilla ice and whipped cream
:D

I’m with Nando! I’ve grown sick of the constant barrage of articles deriding certain technologies and telling you that unless you have this many FPS or that many rear screen pixels or whatever we’re behind the photographic curve. The articles all seem to say that “mine is bigger than yours”, but if you don’t know what you’re doing or haven’t invested the time to learn the craft a bigger, badder tool doesn’t make you better.

Thanks Tom

It's a great article and the truth. you can liken it to a global meet up...you're far from home and you're with a group of strangers. So far everyone is cold to you then you meet someone and I"m from North America "oh so am I" I'm from NYC " oh me too" I live in the Bronx "really me too" I went to Bronx South High School "wow I went to North". NOW! you meet someone in NYC they are from Chicago they hate the Yankees you hate the Cubs funny how you could be great friends if you both lived in Hong Kong.

The answer David Bailey gave to the question. What is the difference between a pro camera and an amateur one......."Depends whose hands its in". In other words there are those that can and those that cannot no matter what the kit

Haha thats true, but god bless them for keeping companies innovating

So true... the amateurs keep the companies thriving

Good article, and it is very true that the photographer makes the images. All the talk about what is the best. We can shoot, focus ,and make adjustments faster, but we still don't have the image quality that the Civil War photographers had using homemade emulsion. Brushed on to glass slides. Go to any war museum and look at the images, the sharpness and details are phenomenal. In sports fps determines the placment of the ball. In their hand, inchs to feet away from their hand or foot etc. Not how good an image you can create, that requires talent. Everyone have a good day.

"Since he switched to the other brand, the previous one was suddenly a bad camera, that couldn’t make any good pictures. Since I still use Canon, he was basically saying that I could not make a decent picture with my camera."

If he actually said that the 5DMIII can't take good pictures, clearly that's moronic; if so, I would point out to him that all the shots he made on his Canon are not good photos (and obviously the 5DMIII is an excellent camera).

But if what he actually said is that the A7RIII has major advantages, then I agree with him.

You think that is what he actually said. But he clearly told me Canon was bad and Sony so much better.
Think about this: what you find major advantages, someone else might not.
Nevertheless, thinking that advantages make better photos is just nonsense
(oh I am sorry... I just got into the better-camera discussion - it is too easy)

Let's face it, "...an End to All Those Pointless Camera Discussions" would mean that this site and countless others would have almost nothing to say.
How dare you!

So true... hahaha

Fabulous photos Nando and I don’t care what camera you used. I am just enjoyed viewing your photos.

Thank you Arun

I am not sure I understand :|

I think gear talk is fun as long as it is being civilised and logical.
In a perfect world I'll say I like my gears because blah blah blah, and you have a different choice because blah blah blah, and by the end of day no one is wrong and we all love our gears.

"Because better pictures aren’t made by a brand or technology, just like the images in this article will show."
So why do you use the 5DmkIV when you probably could have saved tons of money using a mkIII or mkII or hell, a Rebel? Seems like gear matters to some extent and if something matters, it's worth having a discussion about.

Gear does matter. Of course it does. I chose my 5D4 because it answered to my personal need. And because my old 5D3 was ready to be replaced. Thinking a rebel would do for my photography is foolish. Those camera's aren't suitable for my kind of use.
But this is not what this article is about.

"But this is not what this article is about."

It pretty much is. Yes, you framed it in a slightly different manner, but it all boils down to yet another take on the "gear doesn't matter" argument.

I take pretty ordinary photos at the best of times! Some of that technology really helps. For me though, the pictures that count are the ones that hold meaning. My favourite photo on my computer desktop is a scan of a damaged photo I took nearly 40 years ago when I was was young seaman serving on a lighthouse tender, at a lighthouse at the southern most point of mainland Australia. That old photo takes me back there in a heartbeat! I always wish I had a great camera but then I realise it's the story in the picture that counts....
Cheers
Chris

Such beautiful photos here. Whenever I see images like these, and there are so many, my immediate question is NOT; what camera was used. It is; where are these places. Not that I want to take the same photo, because I really don't like doing that, but to find new photos within the same area. These are very beautiful. Thank you for the article.

Thank you, Timothy. You should read my previous article, about the locations where the best photographs can be taken. Perhaps you like it, and give you inspiration.

I will do that. Thank you.

You say: "And a lot of them are telling (us) the result of the new camera or brand is so much better than the previous one. If this is true, they basically tell us they have never made a good photo before."
This is a non-sequitur. What they are telling you is that the new camera offers capabilities and features not found in the old camera.
I have often been told that the new camera makes it easier to do something; I have never heard anyone tell me that, just because they got a new camera, suddenly Henri Cartier-Besson's photographs are no longer any good.
My Sony a6500 makes many tasks easier than my Sony a6000 but the quality of the photos still rely on my judgement in composition and lighting.

No, I hear often their new camera does take better photos, during my workshops, masterclasses, presentations and during regular work, and it is almost always because of (new) features of the new camera. But the most idiotic thing is, they suddenly cry out the other brand is just crap.

Storytelling is the essence of all art in my opinion. The internet is great at getting into tech details and consumerism driven gear talks because it's interesting, new and profitable. Teaching storytelling is entirely separate from all that which is why online training, masterclasses etc are available. But the only way to get that good info is to pay directly for it which many folks don't see the value in doing. It is what it is...and it is backwards

Excellent points in your article, Nando. - Especially, "The funny thing is, when it comes down to articles that cover technique, just a few people seem to be interested. But when I write about a camera, or about a certain brand, or an expensive flashgun, people keep on coming back with comments."

I think this article proofs that point ;)
Thanks,

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