Why I Can't Stand the Photography Community

Why I Can't Stand the Photography Community

In three years of working in photography, I've shot roughly 1,500 family sessions. I've dedicated all my time to growing my photography skills whether it be watching online tutorials, going to WPPI, reading articles, and reaching out to fellow photographers. In my time spent doing this, I've come to one major realization; photographers seem very guarded, opinionated, and close-minded. I've tried to understand what it is that stops us from helping one another? Is it the fear that we are training our competitors, are we bitter that we may have had to learn the hard way, or is it the fact that we are too proud to admit when someone is better than us?

I work for a local photography company in Utah called FotoFly. We shoot 37 studio sessions a day and have 15 full time photographers on staff. We are all very close and love to help push each other. It's hard to go from working in such a great work environment where we all want to see each other succeed and seeing how much it helps our photography, to the worldwide photography community and how opposite it is. It's almost impossible these days to post an image on any photography website or social media group without someone being incredibly negative.

It's very easy to be negative towards someone who may not be on the same level of skill as you are. I see it too many times on social media groups where someone newer to the photography field posts an image looking for some sort of guidance, help, or tips on how to better their skill. Instead of receiving helpful feedback, their images are torn down, and they are told they shouldn't be a photographer. It's easy if you are a professional, or have been in the field for years to see what's wrong, but someone just entering photography does not have your experience. You cannot and should not expect them to produce your quality of images. Instead of tearing them down, lift them up, help them push their skills, and in turn it may elevate your own photography.

There was an article that recently came out on Fstoppers talking about natural light photographers. I understand where Jason Lau is coming from and it is a fantastic article, but reading through the comments you'll quickly see a lack of acceptance for other photographer's styles or artistic vision. It seems that we as photographers tend to be very proud, and it is very hard for us to admit someone is better then us. Especially if that someone has been shooting for less time than we have been, or may have a different specialty.

As photographers we are incredibly protective over our chosen specialty, and will defend it fiercely even if it means tearing someone else down. Being a family photographer, it is very easy for me to look at a photographer who works with professional models and think, "Of course your images look awesome, it's impossible to take a crappy picture of beautiful models." I have even been guilty of throwing that out there a time or two. While it is easy to take images of someone who is paid to be pretty, we shouldn't forget all the other aspects that go into making a great image. The photographer is the one who lights, poses, retouches, and directs the photo shoot. Don't let your jealousy of a great image affect how you react to it.

It seems as if there is a never-ending battle between strobists and natural light photographers, and who is better. Why does there need to be a contest? Is it really that hard to appreciate the skill needed to accomplish either one? Look at Dani Diamond. He labels himself as a natural light photographer, yet while looking through his gallery you will see he is quite accomplished at using a strobe. I also have immense respect for Diamond, and his willingness to teach on the subject of natural light photography.

When someone asks us how we may have accomplished a certain look, it's easy to give them the cold shoulder. Why shouldn't we? You just spent countless hours learning all the tips and tricks to achieve a skill set, why should someone who hasn't worked as hard as you learn it, too? That is part of being a community though. You help each other learn and grow. You support each other. And it seems there is not a lot of that happening anymore.

A word to the new faces in the photography community

Learn to take criticism and grow some thick skin. Not everyone is going to like your work, and that's OK. Don't let it discourage you. Push yourself in the direction you want to go. Eventually you will find your own personal style, and people will respect you for it. Never become satisfied with your work. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of your work, but know that you can always do better.

You can't expect free handouts wherever you go. You still need to be constantly pushing yourself, and proving to yourself that you deserve help. Sometimes the advice you receive may not be what you are looking for. Take everything you receive and either use it or don't, that's up to you, but don't react negatively to advice you receive. That photographer didn't need to help you, they chose to. Be grateful for what help you receive.

The Challenge

I challenge you to be the better part of the photography community. Push yourself to be humble rather than prideful. Push yourself to help others learn and grow, and to be supportive of their aspirations. If you can help build others up, only good things will happen. You will have a greater sense of ownership within the community, you will gain other's respect, and you will become a better photographer. Oftentimes when you are teaching, you learn just as much as the students. We have all been down a time or two, and we have all received a helping hand. Whether it was to push our skills to the next level or to get out of a rut. I challenge you to be more willing to be that helping hand, and to be more supportive.

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Anonymous's picture

Nice article. Photographers have to be able to discern the constructive type of criticism that will help them learn and grow from the more prevalent "you suck" type that I think discourages many newcomers.

Anonymous's picture

Yeah, I think both parties need an attitude change. Newcomers needs to grow some thick skin, and professionals need to be more welcoming.

Well said ...seen that kind of attitude and behaviour many times ...

Anonymous's picture

I don't like the way you wrote this. You could have done much better with the phrasing and margins. The title also could be better. Put down the keyboard cause you are horrid at writing!

Sorry, couldn't help myself. :) Great article

Anonymous's picture

At first glance of your comment I figured the first troll had spoken. Love it though haha thanks.

Anonymous's picture

lol Sorry.. had to play the typical forum photographer troll. :)

Kevin Hatcher's picture

Great article Kenny. And loved the reply from Mark :) hehehe!

Great article. Over the years, I have migrated towards on-line communities that are positive and encouraging (sometimes through legitimate and polite critique. I do photography for fun, so I don't have time for the negativity on some of the major community boards. As you say, most of the photographers I know in real life are kind and generous with their knowledge. Happy New Year!

Anonymous's picture

It seems people are more genuine and nice in real life. When people are able to hide behind a computer screen they become meaner and more critical.

I don't believe that. They would simply not be as honest in person. They would remain the same person inside.

We have to be careful though in using the term negative. Many people like to claim someone is being negative just for stating an opinion that simply differs to theirs. You could be obviously right, have references to the topic being discussed backing your position, assuming you are debating an issue, and otherwise being respectful, and you would still be accused, and eventually attacked, for being negative. In many cases you will often be banned from certain forums.

DPReview, for example, is terrible for that. I've seen people ganging up on someone many times on that site's forums simply because they have taken a different position to the cliques and biased moderators. They will respectfully debate their point but will will eventually end up being banned. I stopped reading that site's forums because of that. The people running that site, and others, don't really have a respect for what a forum truly means.

At best, such sites wish to create an atmosphere where consensus rules and the slightest bit of potential offense is attacked and ultimately banned. It's a phony and artificial atmosphere that tries to protect raw nerves and insecure people. Such sites are examples of the madness of political correctness, and the dishonesty and bias at its core.

Andrew Feller's picture

Great article! I've personally found that the guarded and closed off photographers are in every genre, but some genres have a lot more... in my area I feel that its mostly driven by the "you're gonna steal my clients" mentality.

What I love about live music and event photographers is that literally everyone I have met has been awesome, welcoming, and open to sharing ideas. I've met a few portrait photographers that have been amazingly nice, tore my family/senior portfolios apart, and gave me some great tips in working with newborns. I have even met a commercial advertising photographer that invited me to his studio to just hang out and ask him questions.

Anonymous's picture

Yeah, it seems as if the more guarded photographers are in the portraiture field, and I do think it's the fear that you are truing your competition.

Anonymous's picture

awesome article! you hit a lot of good points. people can be so mean in general, not even just photography & on the internet. it sucks!

I really appreciated this article. As an amateur ive posted images to a site expecting some feedback. From constructive critics, we learn. But i get almost nothing. One thing you didnt mention is simply having your images ignored. The site ive posted to seems "clubby" with a handful of photographers sharing comments back and forth only within the club.

Anonymous's picture

Sometimes it can be hard to find a group that accepts newer photographers. It's annoying at times that the only images that receive attention are the half nude models. There tends to be Facebook groups dedicated to your state of photographers. Like in Utah it's "Utah photographers group" and they tend to be pretty accepting, I'd look into that.

You read my mind today. I'm more a retoucher than a photographer and offered to play with a acquaintance photographer's images to style them. Their mind instantly went to thinking it was a criticism. And then another friend who is a more advanced photographer than I (and who I always work hard to be complimentary toward) always focuses on the negative on photography I share with him. I appreciate his feedback because there's a lot of good in what he says, but some people don't know how to mentor. I think that's the gist, as a community we are very poor mentors perhaps of the competitive nature of the business.

Anonymous's picture

It is a lot easier, especially when your skill level is higher to point out the negatives, people really have to try hard to see the positive, and unfortunately people are usually to lazy to try.

Nasser Ali's picture

Great article, thanks Kenny!

James Korn's picture

I guess I have to count myself lucky. The photography community in my area (Northern Indiana) is very open and eager to share. I'm guessing it's because when the digital revolution happened, there were relatively few pro photographers in the area. Then there was a big influx of new photographers, and we all "grew up" together.

Anonymous's picture

My trouble isn't with the local communities. Those seem to be tightly knit and helpful. I'm glad you have a great community to work in. I'm more worried about the national community.

James Korn's picture

Well. sure. This is the internet after all. Doesn't matter which community you're part of, here there be trolls.
On the flipside of that, the prevalence of photographers on the internet willing to lift up the craft and make it accessible for the rest of us has been incredible. If suffering a few trolls is the tradeoff, well, you know what they say about opinions and assholes...

I think we should also be careful about labeling people as trolls. The fact is, a real troll is actually rare. Too many people use the word troll as a way to simply attack someone and discredit them just because they don't agree with them. They try and make the discussion about the person instead of what they are actually saying. It becomes personal, rather than topical.

Someone should make this post a sticky and put it at the top of the fstoppers Facebook group. It's gotten ugly in there lately.

Lately? I left that group awhile ago and it was ugly then. ;)

John Sheehan's picture

You put into words what I've been feeling, especially after seeing the comments on Dani Diamond's article. I believe in new photographers learning to grow a thick skin, but sometimes they get overwhelmed by the negative response that they just want to put the camera down for good. I was at a college show last spring and a student asked a guy I know what he thought of her work that was displayed. Instead of giving a critique that could help her, he tore into her work with negative comment after negative comment. I could see he was not coming from a place of trying to help, but a place of jealousy. I had to break in and say, "With that said, here's what you that's amazing and here's what you can do to improve on that." I'd much rather be a source of positive encouragement than a negative experience that makes someone want to never create again.

Greg Taillon's picture

I don't deign to speak for whoever was offering critique, but one should also realize that some read 'critique' as "what do you dislike/think is wrong with..." in terms of providing an evaluation of photography. A film, fine art/painting, music critic for example, **never** provides (often facile) pointers about what could "be done better". Besides which, offering pointers about what could "be done better" is usually code for "this is what I like more", and "this is more popular [right now]"—neither of which are objective statements of quality, and both of which are historically-conditioned under rubrics of taste, and perception of consensus,

David Vaughn's picture

Great article. I have noticed that a lot of photographers seem to be very...rude...When it comes to people wanting to learn and grow. Maybe it's insecurity about possibly helping a photographer surpass them someday that makes people so guarded? I don't know, but it's really disheartening.

On the same token, I challenge beginners and pros alike to stop tactlessly searching for the secret sauce in others' images. There's never a time when I go to a forum or even a local club that I don't hear someone say "Wow, how'd you process that/You should make a tutorial."

If you have a technical question, that's fine, but also consider just appreciating an image for what it is and the hard work that the photographer put into it instead of trying to capitalize on it.

Dan Ostergren's picture

Especially after seeing the response to Dani Diamond sharing some of his technique, I am incredibly less likely to ever share mine either.

Anonymous's picture

People are too close minded, and if some ones advice is even slightly different than how they shoot, they shut it down. Dani's product speaks for itself, and people should be smart enough to realize he knows what he is doing.

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