Judging by my title, you'll be shocked to know that I have always been a Canon loyalist. From learning with the Canon A-1 inherited from my grandmother in 1999, to the latest mirrorless models, I have been a devoted customer and an advocate of the brand for over two decades. That is, until the Canon EOS R5. The Canon R5 is where my bond to the brand was systematically dismantled as the hardware itself did.
Let me walk you through how I'm falling out of love with Canon as its product went from buzz-worthy to broken, held together with rubber bands.Good pics when it works
— Canon Reviewer
Why I Have Loved Canon
If I could sum up my sentiment about the Canon EOS R5 in the most condensed phrase it would be this simplistic but accurate review at the top of the Canon review site. Canon has always been my uncontended choice. I have worked with files from almost every major brand and for me, Canon leads in what is most important to my work: color, sharpness, and dynamic range. For my commercial work, it gives me everything I need to capture color, detail, and texture. It delivers sharp, crisp images. For my sports work it gives me incredible burst rates and great dynamic range. They have top-of-the-line of lenses for every different subject matter. As my peers left Canon for the award-winning Sony mirrorless cameras or the game-changing Nikon Z9, I stayed the course with Canon... until my R5.
What the Short-Term Versus Long-Term Reviews Are Uncovering
If you read many of the glowing reviews online regarding the R5, a large portion of them are from newly acquired bodies — i.e written within the first two years of owning the camera. With these reviews, I would agree.
The viewfinder is terrific. The files are very large, so is the ability to crop dramatically and still get a great image. I've been using it for about 6 months with no problems. Animal, people, and eye tracking for autofocus is really impressive
— Canon Review
I've had the R5 for a little over a month. I'm using it with an RF 70-200mm f2.8 and an EF 17-40mm f4 with a control ring adapter. I continue to be amazed by the versatility of this camera and the stunning image quality.
— Canon Review
I have been using the Canon R5 for a couple of months. I have several EF lenses and it works flawlessly with them. In December I purchased the RF 100-500 L lens. What an incredible combination. I do photography only (no video) and I can honestly say that this camera impresses me every time I shoot with it. Best camera I have ever owned.
— Canon Review
I agree with all of these reports and more: color is what has sustained my love affair with Canon for over two decades now. But what is being echoed by users of over two years?
Good pics when it works. I've had the R5 for over a year now and am glad I read the reviews about it frequently freezing up before buying it. If [you] leave it on for several minutes it may freeze up requiring it to be turned off for several seconds before it resumes normal functioning again. If you leave it on for more than several minutes [while] shooting it can shut down for half a day, however. I've had to adapt by frequently turning it off then on again when I'm shooting so that I don't miss (more) shots.
— Canon Review
Great camera but fragile shutter system. The R5 is all I wanted. A better autofocus than my 5D Mark IV, rotating screen, IBS, etc. and I was very happy with it until an error code No 20 appears on the screen. I sent it to Canon and the shutter system had to be changed. The camera had 40,000 shoots.... less than 10% of the 500,000 promised. Now I am not so confident with the Camera.
— Canon Review
Long-term review: frequent crashes, subpar build quality. I loved the camera at first. After over a year, I'm still mostly happy with it. In terms of features and image quality, it's a winner. The autofocus is amazing. However, it crashes too often for a pro camera. Lately, it's been OK, but it went through a nearly unusable phase in the last version of the firmware and I missed many shots because of camera crashes. It's also not well weather sealed and if I'm out in light rain, I quickly get condensation behind the viewfinder. Honestly, I just don't trust it out in the weather and that prevents me from getting the job done. Similarly, the build quality in general is nowhere near the standard of Canon's older pro cameras. Unfortunately, for me, Canon just doesn't have the right offerings anymore. I'll likely be moving over to another brand. It's such a shame because Canon still has great technology, features, and optics. But build quality, repairs, customer service, have all gone downhill and those things are critical for professionals.
— Canon Review
I could continue this with more reviews from Canon's site, additional ones from B&H, and a whole slew of messages on Facebook groups, discussions on Quora regarding the recurring "Error 20" code, camera malfunctions, and cameras just plain falling apart. Now though, let me now tell you my story.
How My R5 Systematically Fell Apart
Error 20
I bought my R5 just over two years ago. Similar to the experience of other reviewers, I was over the moon about my new gear. It delivered on advanced auto-focusing, state-of-the-art image stabilization, high-speed continuous shooting, and showcased many of the flagship Canon characteristics such as rich color, sharp images, and high-resolution files. Just past its first-year mark, however, I started getting the error 20 code. This code is described vaguely on the Canon website.
As the message describes this error required me to turn off my camera, remove the battery, and restart the camera. At first, it was once or twice a week, then every day, and soon up to to a dozen times a day. This happened for weeks on end. I did some research and it is a widespread problem. There was everything from Quora discussions about it to YouTube tutorials, Facebook chats, and more.
This problem occurs nowhere near the promised shutter count. After researching the problem, I reached out to Canon directly with the data I had gathered in 2022. I was redirected many times until I reached the Sr. Specialist Public Relations for Canon. She replied to my email positively and requested me to gather information and specific testimonials. After collecting the requested data, I sent the testimonials with the users' full names and additional information to Canon. Here are two of many examples I provided.
Photographer 2: He works in the studio as a fashion photographer and his camera is around 105k actuations. It happens when he is shooting normally (not live view). The mirror gets stuck and frozen and the camera displays error 20 and this cycle repeats itself. He brought it in for repair, it was 600 euros to swap a new shutter and mirror. This cycle has started happening again. The mirror gets stuck. The camera says 'error 20'. He doesn't know why.
Photographer 7: 'I purchased my R5 in February of 2021. It worked well for two months then died completely. I contacted Canon and then sent it back for repair. Turned out that the entire main motherboard failed. They replaced it and two weeks later it was back at home with me.'
Per the request of the Canon PR contact, I kept track of what I was shooting with when receiving the error 20 messages, noting if there were any commonalities. I took notes on:
1) Whether it was a Canon battery or an off-brand battery
2) What type and brand of memory card I was working with
3) If I was using strobes or shooting natural light
4) If I was shooting bursts or single shots
5) If I was using an RF or EF lens
6) If I was shooting tethered
There were no patterns. No matter what lens, battery, card, or lighting I shot with, the error 20 code continued. By the end of my data collecting it was around a dozen times a day. I offered to send my camera in for the engineers to look at it. After meticulously tracking all the requested information and providing it to Canon with the offer to look over the problem on my camera, the PR woman stopped responding. That was in 2022.
It was a $479 repair for a shutter that stopped working after only one year of purchase. This is a shutter that was listed to have a half-a-million count shutter life on it.
Canon never answered me again.
Gray Pocket on Screen
Earlier this year I was shooting in my studio. My camera was on a tripod and I was shooting products on a simple white background. When I set the next product up to be photographed, I came back to my camera and my LCD had a large grey pocket that took up about 1/5th of the screen. Initially, I thought there was a shadow on my scene. There was not. I hooked my computer up for tethering and looked at the shot on my Mac. Nothing was in the image; It was the LCD.
I was told in my repair report that the LCD had been impacted. At the time of this occurrence though there was no impact. I had a very simple "shopping cart" on white set up with the camera on a tripod.
LCD Detaches and Dangles by Wires
I had intended to send it in for repair but I was in the middle of a hectic month of back-to-back contracts so I decided to work my way through them shooting tethered. One day as I was working camera in-hand, the LCD just plopped out of the frame and dangled by a braided set of small colorful wires. Shocked, I pushed it back in and it fell right back out. I was forced to hold it together with a rubber band.
The Hot Shoe Becomes Unscrewed
So there I was, my two year-old camera broken again, being held together by a rubber band. I contacted CPS about sending it in for repair, planning to do so upon my return from my weekend contract. I head out to my job, strap on my flash, and walk to my starting point. As I'm walking though, the flash feels as though it's wobbling around on the hot shoe. I stopped and had a look. I discovered that the screw which holds the hot shoe down had become loose and had made the connection between my flash — as well as my pocket wizard for the strobes — unusable. I thought perhaps that if I could find a screw driver I could tighten it back up; but in the R5 model they moved the screws to the inside of the camera body. Now, 15 minutes into my two-day shoot, my rubber band-jimmied camera is officially unusual able for flash or strobes. I had to pivot and use my Mark IV all weekend — a big step down from the dynamic range and ISO capabilities of the R5. The images suffered.
The following Monday, I finally sent it in to CPS and a whopping $759 repair got me functional again for the 2nd time.
In total the repairs were priced at $1,238 for the $3,699 camera: I spent 33% of the cost of the camera to keep it working. Within two years the repairs totaled a third of the cost of the camera.
I am not the only one.
Why Isn't the R5 Lasting?
Why are so many Canon users experiencing these problems with the R5? Why the surge in reports about mechanical shutter errors, overheating, and the camera falling apart structurally? It used to be that cameras were built for durability. I remember shooting in the desert and seeing my peer throw his camera into the sand — actually throw it — leaving it there for a good 15-20 minutes while he resolved an issue with a staff member. Then, he just picked it back up and kept shooting. Canons were built for it. My Mark II, III, and IV have been through water, mud, and sand. They have been dropped; they have suffered through hot, cold, wet — yet I never once had to send any of them in for repair. It's one of the many reasons I loved Canon. The cameras were built like vaults. What happened?
I've discussed this question with many peers over the last year that I've been working on the article. I've received a wide array of answers but they have all fallen under an umbrella theme: durability is not at the top of the list of values for Canon anymore. Colleagues hypothesize that it used to be that Canon built cameras for career photographers. Durability was a central value. Now, they suspect, their audience is different.
"They build cameras for vloggers, and hobbyists now who go out to capture lifestyle work. They want their mirrorless camera to be lightweight and have great sensors. They don't care about durability anymore."
Others hypothesize that since photographers clamor to upgrade to the latest model every time it comes out, Canon doesn't feel the need to build a camera that's going to last five or six years anymore.
Is it true? Is durability an extinct value in the generation of city-slicker vloggers who care about the sensor, weight, burst rate and video capability?
Not all brands are skimping on durability and resilience. OM Systems, for example, runs their cameras though rigorous testing such as this impressive splash test.
Closing Thoughts
It used to be that Canon and Nikon were the uncontested kings of the jungle. Any camera they made was the top of the line model available. Some other cameras like Leica held a close third spot especially for a certain look — but if you look at the sales numbers, historically Canon and Nikon were at the top. Over the years though, other brands have impressively stepped up their game. I feel there's rarely a month that goes by that I don't have someone asking "You're still shooting Canon?" as if Sony was now the only brand to flaunt. Nikon came out with their Z 9 and showed they they are maintaining their stance as industry leaders.
...And here is my R5 being held together with a rubber band and no hot shoe.
I had planned to purchase the EOS R3 but since my experience, Canon has lost my trust to invest thousands more towards a new body. Canon: this is my message to you. You have to worry about retaining your photographers. Other brands are stepping up and the reputation Canon once had is being challenged.
I recently walked to the meeting point for a shoot and an obnoxious photographer who always touts his mouth asked, "What are you shooting with today?" I responded, "The R5." He laughed and looked at the other photographer standing with us, sarcastically commenting, "Really?"
He had the Z9 and the other photographer had the Sony a7R V. In retrospect, I am glad the shoot wasn't a few weeks later when my rubber band was holding my camera together.
I invited the PR contact for Canon to comment on this article. She didn't reply. I still love Canon. For me, the colors and the quality of the image is just untouchable. But I'll close with the same quote I opened with from the Canon website reviews, it's the best camera... when it works. Is it time to switch brands? Canon needs to earn my trust again.
I'm glad you found a brand that meets all your needs. I'm NO NIKON EXPERT but it seems like they had a few issues with their Z6 & 8 but came back and crushed the game with their Z9. I've thought more than once about switching. But for now I'm going to hold tight and see if Canon can deliver something I can trust
I also had the Error 20 after 2 years of use on my R5. $500 later it is repaired. Hoping to have better luck this time.
Ugh. Let's hope these issues are resolved in future models
Well then. It's settled. A year of data collected worldwide and photographers everywhere expressing the exact same problems is false. Glad your four R5's set the worldwide reports straight!
Nothing but heartfelt support for you on this one, Michelle
thank you Tom Reichner !
Hey Ryan
Have you really never gotten an error 20 message on any of your R5 bodies? Or have you ever had them glitch up a bit and had to turn them off and back on to get them "right" again? If this has never happened to you, even once, then that is really amazing! I wish I could say that I have had such great performance, but every Canon I have ever used has had times when I have had to switch it off and back on again quickly to get it back to normal.
I purchased my r5 in November of 2020 I’m constantly getting the error 20 when I use the LP-E6NH batteries. If I use the older canon batteries it’s less likely to happen. I have to push the top of my flash back while shooting to get it to fire and the worst is this line of Pixles I get on the short edge of every photo that I have to crop out. It’s a known hardware issue that others have had. Unfortunately for me I purchased the camera at the height of demand and the only place I found one was Best Buy. In order to get the hardware issue fixed I have to go to where I purchased it but Best Buy has to send it to geek squad for inspection which fun fact will void your canon warranty. Almost 3 years later and I’m still cropping about 15% of every photo. Im glad others are saying they’ve had no issues but I’m not one of them.
Jes Clewell Wow. This really is a worldwide problem. Imagine, if so many people are commenting on this article, and on my Instagram post, how many people worldwide are having this problem that don't read Fstoppers? I could be wrong but the edge of your photo- if it's dark it may be the shutter dragging. Does it still happen if you shoot at slow speeds?
Your account supports the importance for photographers to write long-term reviews of their gear on pages such as the manufacturer's page and B&H. I hope you get your issues resolved and thank you for sharing.
It’s absolutely not shutter drag it’s a series of pixels all in a line. Every photo all the time no matter the conditions.
WOAH. That is SO strange!!!! what in the world?
And here’s me thinking the R5 was mirrorless. Every day’s a school day!‘Photographer 2: He works in the studio as a fashion photographer and his camera is around 105k actuations. It happens when he is shooting normally (not live view). The mirror gets stuck and frozen and the camera displays error 20 and this cycle repeats itself. He brought it in for repair, it was 600 euros to swap a new shutter and mirror. This cycle has started happening again. The mirror gets stuck. The camera says 'error 20'. He doesn't know why.’
I think it’s just the manner of how you use the camera, if you shoot professionally you should use the R3, the R5 is built like a Jack of all trades, only used as a back up, I’ve heard a lot of error 20 from the R5 and R6, but not on the R3 or the R, it’s probably the adapted ef lenses thats causing the problem, I might be wrong though. Then again if you use the servo and you shoot H+ most of the time, you are overworking your sensor as well, most of the complaints about error 20 are high mileage cameras in less than 6 months to a year of ownership, Having 75,000 shutter clicks for only 6 months, then a problem will surely come about, The R3 is built different from the R5, never really did consider the R5 a top professional camera since it’s sensors are not stacked, you look at Sony A1 or Nikon Z9 and the R3 all have the stacked sensors and they seldom have any problems around them, the R5 is normally reserved for back up or high mp shoot, but the truth i’ve used all manufacturers in the past and all had problems. If you use one camera for professional use then you’re in the wrong business.
"... it’s probably the adapted ef lenses thats causing the problem, I might be wrong though." Probably not since I have nothing but adapted lenses and haven't had the Error 20 nor the dreaded freeze in a year and a half of use. Of course, I'm a sample of one, but my experience has been purely positive with no issues.
Same here. 40 years I've been shooting Canon, loyal to them like dog. Never been so frustrated. I'm a professional photographer and hate the R5. I wish the tech went into a 5D MkV. Never had a Canon body faill on on me in 40 years and the R5 has already failed 3 times in two years. This is not a dependable camera like its predecessor (the 5D series).
Not to mention the eye strain I get from the electronic viewfinder, the short battery life, the small size that probaly too small for every day use. The lack of RF lenses, a stupid new hotshoe makes compatibility a nightmare.
Canon, I HATE YOU.
I try to steer clear of HATE but the sentiment of disappointment in the tech we bought and a complete lack of customer service is truly snowballing into a complete lack of respect for the brand for which I was once an advocate. After the article, another senior staff in PR reached out to me for a call. We scheduled it twice and he stood me up both times. He was supposed to call yesterday for the 2nd time and never did. I can't understand Canon right now.
Well cost cutting has finally caught up to them. Now they get to charge more for less camera and reap more profits from CPS and other repair facilities.
People wonder why I didn't follow the herd of mirrorless adopters- Michelle's article is just one of those very big reasons why I bolstered my DSLR EF mount gear and didn't go to mirrorless. Also the handling is atrocious compared to DSLR's and I prefer an optical view 95/100 times for all kinds of mixed work I do from professional to personal. I stare at enough screens full of way too much information all day long, an optical view is more efficient, easy on the eye, and faster. EVF's have specific advantages but the list of disadvantages outweighs them by too much for me.
I've never had a reason to not trust Canon. Every camera I have purchased from them has been incredible. These issues are echoed worldwide. The biggest disappointment in this whole experience is the handling of the issue by Canon. The one PR woman ghosted me after collecting all the data requested. Then, since the article another Senior PR Specialist reached out to schedule a call. He didn't call both times we scheduled it. Yesterday was the rescheduled call and he just didn't call. I can't understand how Canon can show such disrespect for the community of photographers who have promoted them and championed them for so long.
Kodak did that many times: 35mm to 126 to 110 to disk. And then they came back for more with the APS film claiming the new film emulsions created images as good as 35mm. As if they could not pack the new emulsion in 35mm canisters... By 1990 Kodak was fast loosing grip on the commercial photography industry leaving the market wide open for Fuji. All Fuji had to do is listen to clients and that's what they did. That 40 years trajectory did end up bad as we all know.
Excellent parallel. Insightful and educated as always. Why isn't Canon listening and responding? Since the article, another Senior PR Specialist reached out to schedule a call. He didn't call both times we scheduled it. Yesterday was the rescheduled call and he just didn't call. I can't understand how Canon can show such disrespect for the community of photographers who have promoted them and championed them for so long.
It’s not impressive for sure, but may be they have something cooking on the back burner that holds them from talking too much.
I never thought a camera would have that many issues. My first reaction before the release was the price. Too high for the features because adding all the video, downsizing the body and all made that camera sound kind of like a toy. I mean the D5m4 with 20 less mp couldn’t handle more than 30 RAW at once and now they were cramming 8K Raw video in a small space! But even the video made no sense. Most people don’t need that much capture (that want VS need thing...). I’ve shot many times big shoots for clients where I would do stills on location and a video team would rotate rooms with me as we were done with one set up. In my opinion, these type of video people are the market for 8K RAW, not any vlog or youtube channel. Just processing the raw and downsizing is contrary to what these youtube people say. They want to process fast to go create the next click bait asap. Plus for Canon to go compete with their own line of video products, is a total non sense. R5 sounded like a gimmick for someone who, yes, could at time make use of 50mp but has nothing to do with video. This was way too loaded to be true.
I hope they contact you, at least to answer your call even if they don’t provide any logic explanation. For sure no $3500.00+ camera should not fall apart this fast.
My first exposure to Canon was selling the FTb and TLb in a suburban Chicago area camera store, Stern's Camera. I’ve used the A-1, F1n, EOS-1D, 1D mk II, 5D mk II and mk IV, 7D, and most recently EOS R and R5. In over 45 years of Canon use, I've only ever had to pop the battery out of the R and R5 to reset the camera a few times, and that was using third party lenses from Sigma and Tamron. I had an FD 35-105mm f/3.5L that broke constantly at the zoom ring, but that's the only repair I've had that was a reliability issue. Everything else was me dropping or scraping equipment on outdoor shoots or pointing cameras at the sun too long (eclipse, planetary transits), and CPS always seemed to fix stuff within a week.
I've also been a Leica M-user for 50+ years off and on. M-cameras have needed rangefinder adjustments, mount replacements (for a 1954 M3), sensor pixel reassignments (M8), and PC board replacements under warranty (M10, M10-R). The only major Leica lens repair I've needed was re-coating a 1954 50/1.5 Summarit I'd severely scratched the soft coating of as a teenager. (The Colorado firm that used to do this is gone.) I've beaten the s#!& out of metal Leica lenses over the years, and they've just kept on going. Ditto for a Leica SL2 mirrorless camera. That one's also made out of metal, and very heavy.
And I switched to Nikon AF gear when Canon dropped the FD mount for the EF mount. I had an F5 that never needed anything. But every time my early version Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 ED VR lens got wet around the lens mount (a common problem shooting pro mountain bike races), it stopped working and needed to go to Nikon USA for repair. I finally got fed up, sold out of Nikon and went back to Canon for digital gear.
Since recurring back problems have limited how much weight I can carry, I've gone to OM System (formerly Olympus) and Lumix Micro Four Thirds. I *have* managed to break some of the M.Zuiko Pro lenses, but my two OM-1 bodies and metal Lumix Leica G lenses have all survived very well.
What to conclude? From my early years at Stern's Camera, I saw Canon, Konica/Minolta (now Sony), Pentax and even Leica gear come in for repair. Nikon hasn't been exempt, either. And late-model equipment mostly isn't built as well as old metal Canon FD, Nikon F and Leica M-lenses.
*What I've tended to do is use gear I can get repaired relatively quickly.*
Canon's CPS has a stellar record with me. And there are third-party Leica repair shops that do OK for lenses. Unfortunately, for Leica's digital cameras, you're pretty much stuck with Leica USA for repair (at least 4 week turnaround). But I've been using Leicas since 1969, and their lenses have given pictures a look no one else has. For paying work, I've relied on Canon over the years, and they've never let me down. That said, I always bring two camera bodies to *every* shoot, whether it's bike races, real estate, dog portraits, travel, or night / Milky Way / light painting shots.
From 25 years designing analog and mixed-signal integrated circuits in Silicon Valley, I *know* how unreliable modern surface mount electronics can be. All brands break.
My first exposure to Canon was selling the FTb and TLb in a suburban Chicago area camera store, Stern's Camera. I’ve used the A-1, F1n, EOS-1D, 1D mk II, 5D mk II and mk IV, 7D, and most recently EOS R and R5. In over 45 years of Canon use, I've only ever had to pop the battery out of the R and R5 to reset the camera a few times, and that was using third party lenses from Sigma and Tamron. I had an FD 35-105mm f/3.5L that broke constantly at the zoom ring, but that's the only repair I've had that was a reliability issue. Everything else was me dropping or scraping equipment on outdoor shoots or pointing cameras at the sun too long (eclipse, planetary transits), and CPS always seemed to fix stuff within a week.
I've also been a Leica M-user for 50+ years off and on. M-cameras have needed rangefinder adjustments, mount replacements (for a 1954 M3), sensor pixel reassignments (M8), and PC board replacements under warranty (M10, M10-R). The only major Leica lens repair I've needed was re-coating a 1954 50/1.5 Summarit I'd severely scratched the soft coating of as a teenager. (The Colorado firm that used to do this is gone.) I've beaten the s#!& out of metal Leica lenses over the years, and they've just kept on going. Ditto for a Leica SL2 mirrorless camera. That one's also made out of metal, and very heavy.
And I switched to Nikon AF gear when Canon dropped the FD mount for the EF mount. I had an F5 that never needed anything. But every time my early version Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 ED VR lens got wet around the lens mount (a common problem shooting pro mountain bike races), it stopped working and needed to go to Nikon USA for repair. I finally got fed up, sold out of Nikon and went back to Canon for digital gear.
Since recurring back problems have limited how much weight I can carry, I've gone to OM System (formerly Olympus) and Lumix Micro Four Thirds. I *have* managed to break some of the M.Zuiko Pro lenses, but my two OM-1 bodies and metal Lumix Leica G lenses have all survived very well.
What to conclude? From my early years at Stern's Camera, I saw Canon, Konica/Minolta (now Sony), Pentax and even Leica gear come in for repair. Nikon hasn't been exempt, either. And late-model equipment mostly isn't built as well as old metal Canon FD, Nikon F and Leica M-lenses.
*What I've tended to do is use gear I can get repaired relatively quickly.*
Canon's CPS has a stellar record with me. And there are third-party Leica repair shops that do OK for lenses. Unfortunately, for Leica's digital cameras, you're pretty much stuck with Leica USA for repair (at least 4 week turnaround). But I've been using Leicas since 1969, and their lenses have given pictures a look no one else has. For paying work, I've relied on Canon over the years, and they've never let me down. That said, I always bring two camera bodies to *every* shoot, whether it's bike races, real estate, dog portraits, travel, or night / Milky Way / light painting shots.
From 25 years designing analog and mixed-signal integrated circuits in Silicon Valley, I *know* how unreliable modern surface mount electronics can be. All brands break.
Bummer about yours. My R5 bought April 2021 has not had any issues despite being used and carried about almost daily. From travel and work it sees a lot of use as my only camera body since selling my 5D mark IV. Once it was dropped onto concrete from waist height and had no issues at all other than a small mark. The screen has not had any issues but when I use it I usually don’t leave it unfolded hanging out off the side unless it’s on a tripod or holding it down low or up high. Had some of the markings rub off on some of the buttons that I use a lot and the finish on the corners where it rubs on the strap and hip rub off too but that’s to be expected. I have the Canon CarePAK so I guess if I do break something they’ll fix it. (Canon’s CarePAK was great when repairing my first 5D.)
R6 with the hotshoe problem here too!
I have 4 canons. Canon 5D mark 4, Canon R5, Canon R6 and Canon R6 mark 2. What you described have never had anything happening to any my cameras. I bought R5 and R6 as they came out. I'm a wedding photographer and work my cams pretty hard.
Michelle VanTine Any updates from Canon on this issue? I'm a beginner freelance sports photographer and am looking to swtich from my Pentax gear. I was highly considering the Canon R6 II until I read this article. Is there any way to buy from Canon Australia and get the 5-yr warranty? :)
I’ve had an R5 for 7 weeks & started getting the dreaded Error70 three weeks ago. The firmware update to 1.9.0 helped for a while, but on a recent shoot the camera locked up on every other shot (the “mirror locked up” description is exactly what it looked like - black screen, no capture). Fortunately it’s from Amazon so I can send it back for a full refund, but I reached out to Canon as well. After some suggestions for “fixes” they confirmed that it is defective, said Error70 is an “image error” & offered to repair (not replace) it.
I said I did not feel comfortable with a repair given the 2+ years of the same problem being raised on many Canon community forums - they obviously don’t know what is causing the problem, so how can they guarantee a fix … & if it doesn’t work I will be stuck with a very expensive paperweight?
This is what they said: “All Canon professional products are manufactured to the highest quality standards that businesses and working professionals require.”
They have not replied to my response to that email.
This is, as Michelle established, about an epidemic of problems with one of their flagship products. Corporate hubris can & does break brand loyalty.
Like the author I have been a Canon user forever back to the T90 35mm. I have an R6 that has been bulletproof & it seems this problem is an R5 issue - but does not affect all R5s.
My experience, not so much with the R5 as with Canon’s response to it, has overcome 30 years of goodwill & loyalty towards the brand. The attitude of their customer “service” towards a buyer of a professional grade camera that is unusable is not acceptable in an era where the margin of difference between brands is now negligible.
I am returning the R5 to Amazon (who are still committed to customer service) for the refund. I now have to decide whether to sell my R6 & lenses & change system entirely, & if so, to what?
I had the same problem on my R5 and so finally with a couple of months left on the warranty I sent it in. They replaced the main board (under warranty) and it's been almost a year since and the problem has entirely gone away. Maybe it was a bad batch?
I previously posted this on DPReview and wanted to share it as a comment on this excellent article.
I have a Canon R5 camera, which is two years old. Unfortunately, it frequently locks up while I am using it. I analyzed 1,591 file numbers at the end of one shooting day and found that the R5 locks up 2.5 % of the time. This is causing me to lose 3.4 % of images, including those in the buffer. I have tried all the suggested solutions, but they have yet to work.
I brought my Canon R5 to the service center in Thailand because it kept freezing. The technicians confirmed the issue and tested the camera with a different memory card, battery, and lens. They told me it required a new main board, costing $800. I decided to wait until I returned to the USA to send it to Canon USA under warranty. They updated the firmware and cleaned the camera but found no problems. However, after taking a few hundred photos, the camera began to freeze again, which now happens frequently.
Aside from the lockups causing me to lose 2.5 % of my work and Canon USA being unable to acknowledge the problem or repair the camera, the R5 is reliable. The frustration of losing frames has made me decide to replace it with a more dependable camera.
2024-01-18 After the firmware update, file numbers do not increment for missed single-exposure photos.
I would like to thank Michelle for shedding some light on the Canon mirrorless reliability issue.
Like her I've also always favoured Canon cameras -even though I have also shot on Nikon and Sony..- beginning with my Elan film camera, to 10D, 20D, 40D, 50D, 5DII, 5DIII and R.
I've never had ANY issues with any of these bodies.
I've been doing some research on the R5, and to see shutter failures (as well as other hardware and software issues) this early on in this pro camera life is disappointing to say the least.
The fact that she had to pay a considerable amount to get it repaired after submitting all the data to Canon's engineers is even more upsetting.
It makes me think less of Canon..
Canon used to mean intuitive, reliable, tough,
NOT buggy, flimsy, disposable!
I really hope that Canon is taking note for the next gen of cameras and not skimping on build quality and reliability in favour of lighter bodies.
I must beg to differ with a lot of the conclusions. I have been a Canon usher since 1979 and a CPS member since 1983. I have owned most of the pro and pro-am cameras Canon has produced in that time starting with the A-1 (new, not a hand me down because it was new then) and a Canon F-1. My most recent mirrorless cameras have been or are the R, R5, and now R6 II (to replace the R). I use my cameras heavily, especially my R5 which I have owned since 2020. It has served me well. I had the shutter box assembly replaced about 1-1/2 yrs ago after 400,000 actuations. On average, I shoot about 500GB every other month with the R5. Recently, I had Canon replace the USB-C port, the hot shoe and deal with an Err 70. Am I upset or feel the camera is of poor quality? Not in the least. I use it heavily though it looks pristine. Is it as robust as my old 1Dx? Nope. But neither is the 5D IV I considered buying. My 5Ds was robust, though the shutter was replaced at 375,000 actuations. In the end, it’s always possible you have a lemon. Do I feel Sonys are better. No, just different. I have friends who have had issues equal to yours with their Sony cameras. There are no perfect cameras. Certainly for me as a working pro since 1976, I expect things to breakdown or need repairs. I sold a 150mm Hasselblad lens after the third time it was in for repair for a broken leaf shutter. If you don’t like your camera body, sell it to someone who isn’t as rigorous and demanding as you may be.
Sorry late to the article. I have an R5 and it’s been treated like a tool not a jewel so it’s been banged around and carried dangling from a strap and thrown into packs. I don’t recall how many actuations but I know it has a tad more than 30k last I checked a year ago. I’m happy to report no issues so far.
Truthfully, it’s not just Canon mirrorless! I have problems with my Canon eos 5dmark 4. The shutter dial is a mess and doesn’t go to the correct shutter. I shoot manual and have to move the dial over and over to get the shutter I’m looking for! I am about to upgrade and am unsure what to do? I was gonna go to canon mirrorless but have heard the horror stories. I love canon lenses and have some very expensive one so how would I afford going to a Nikon or something else? Too much $$$$ to switch! Any suggestions?
Hey Barb
I am not sure what you mean by "shutter dial". I am not aware of any such thing on Canon DSLR cameras. Sounds like you may be referring to the Mode Dial ...... is that perhaps what you mean?