Thirty three and a half years as one of the most successful models on the planet and Naomi Campbell has only just completed a mainstream fashion shoot with a black photographer for the first time.
Few names come to mind quicker than Naomi Campbell's when you think of supermodels. Both Campbell and Kate Moss have been titans in the industry for decades and remain relevant and important today. With such an expansive career, you can't imagine there's much Campbell hasn't seen in the fashion world, least of all a shoot with a black photographer. However, Campbell's recent shoot for British publication The Guardian in their "Weekend" magazine was just that, teaming up with photographer Campbell Addy.
Campbell writes "It’s my first time in thirty three and a half years, shooting with a black photographer in mainstream fashion." I had to double take reading that the first time. I'm aware of imbalances in professional photography and here on Fstoppers it has been discussed many times, but I don't think I quite appreciate the disparity in representation of different ethnicities. Fashion as an industry has been called out on this regularly this century, with a lack of diversity in almost all facets of the profession. I just hadn't considered how prevalent that imbalance might be in photography too. Upon sharing the image, Addy wrote:
It’s a very surreal moment after the longest flight of my life and to see this be shared with you all. Firstly to have shot the icon that’s Ms Naomi and two for her to reveal that it’s the first time in over THREE decades that she’s been photographed by another black person in mainstrean[sic] fashion... let that sink in people... I am very blessed to be alive and working today, so thank you to everyone that’s made my existence possible. Here’s to many more shoots together
Is the lack of diversity in photography something you have noticed? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
Lead image by Christopher Macsurak via Wikimedia used under Creative Commons.
About damn time.
my first question is what is and isn't "mainstream fashion shoot". when I think "mainstream fashion" I think of Vogue, harper's Bazaar and the like, a very small nitch. then, I could say, yes, I can believe it.
"Is the lack of diversity in photography something you have noticed?"
Well, hell yes. Particularly when it comes to racial diversity, but certainly gender too. Both are problems.
Why? You cant force certain genders or races into a creative industry if they don't like it or want to do it.
Hypothetically Lets say the creative makeup is 95% males to 5% females, 80% Caucasian to 20% everyone else. What do you think the odds will be that there will be an African American Female at a professional level. (I know it's a Male in the article)
The same can be said for any industry, the demographic with the higher interest group is going to have the highest percentage of professionals in the field.
I'm not speaking on discrimination because I know it's rampant still to this day but OVERALL the percentages are always going to shift in favor of the group that engages in it the most.
Are you seriously saying that an incredibly famous model encountering ONE black photographer in three decades of a career is simply due to odds and math? Your assumption is based on the false premise that very few black people want to be photographers. There's literally no evidence to that whatsoever.
There is, however, staggering evidence of discrimination and racism in every corner of this country.
Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. The talent pool is WAY less likely to have a black photographer in it just out of sheer numbers. I also did state the discrimination is still rampant in this country in a lot of ways but, the powers that be, that select the photographers for a shoot have a much higher likelihood of using a white photographer than a black one.
My assumption is based on the fact that Black people still make up a minority of people in this country, that you're more likely to encounter a white photographer than a black one just based on demographics. 1 in 9 people is likely to be black, that gap increases exponentially when you start to throw in lifestyle choices and career path.
An incredibly famous model like her, with the success she's had, if she really gave a shit, could have chosen a black photographer at any moment later in her career.
It's about more than the end opportunity which is presented. What about all the 'breaks' and opportunities which more 'privileged' people get throughout their lives? You can't say things like 'Well, no black people applied for this neurosurgery role, I guess no black people are interested in neurosurgery'. What about the lack of encouragement, and hard and soft barriers which have been present throughout every step of their entire life?
Look man I get it, minority groups have a much harder time achieving "greatness" because there are large numbers of people in this world that still believe in holding people back. Animalistic tendencies to segregate and ostracize groups of people that don't look like them or think like them are ridiculous, especially in the modern world, though in a lot of ways it's human nature and we are sophisticated animals at the end of the day (no I'm not justifying horrible behavior).
There are many facets to the argument of privilege, a few people should not dictate the outcome of everyone. Born rich? Born poor? Have family support? Foster? Adopted? It'll continue to be a never ending argument. As a whole we have a lot of growing up to do but if WE continue to let certain people drive the narrative and divide us we'll continue to look at each-other with disdain, because "that person is more successful than I and hasn't gone through the same struggles as I and it's much harder for me to achieve success."
With everything together, looking at just sheer numbers alone, the challenge grows for minorities, and yes it is much harder to stand out because they're overshadowed by the larger group involved. There will always be in imbalance, unless a larger portion of that minority group becomes the majority.
You are willfully naive.
The whole 'diversity for diversity's sake' is wearing thin. I shot an engineering group event the other evening and one of the speakers main topics was to get more women involved in their group. First you have to ask, why aren't there more women in the group? If it's because they haven't been allowed, it's very, very bad.
However, an educated guess tells me that there's a LOT less women pursuing a career as engineers.
How about the NFL? There's a LOT more black running backs than there are white and why is that? It's very simple...there are way more black athletes that make good running backs than there are white. So, what do the NFL teams do? They do their best to get the best at the position to allow their team to achieve the best outcome. That's what makes sense to me.
When choosing to fill a position, you choose the best that you can find and afford if you want the best outcome.
Very true. Women are also underrepresented in deep sea crab fishing and brick laying. I’m seriously tired of seeing white men doing it.
I guess it's not the 1940s any more- when men were men and and women photographers.
I don't know the context of this photo (can't find it online), but it is absolutely true that women struggled to be taken seriously as photographers until about the 60s. There are, of course, a few exceptions.
Most commercial female photographers during and before that period of time were married to successful male photographers. It was considered very strange if a single woman tried to start a photography business or work commercially.
You can deny it all you like, but there have literally been books written about this very subject.
This is a Fremont High School Photography Vocational program in the 1940s run by C.A. Bach. My dad attended the course. If you see the overall class, there were certainly more men, but there were a reasonable number of women also. This program produced some Life and Sports Illustrated photographers over the years (I think 1920s-1950s timeframe).
If you want to bring ethnicity into it, it was largely Caucasian, with possibly some Hispanics (hard to tell from B&W pictures).
https://www.si.com/vault/issue/42722/101
So your photo to show that many women were photographers in the olden days is.... a picture.... of a high school class...
What's actually amusing about this is it really speaks to something else: that high school was (most likely) roughly 50/50 male/female. And you say, in the overall class, there were more men but a lot of women.
So a lot of high school girls were interested in photography.
Yet hardly any women of that time period became photographers.
Does that not... say something to you?
P.S. you really shouldn't present a photo of a class of high schoolers without noting that these are not professional photographers. The girls in this photo are not "photographers" in the sense we are discussing. They are students of a photography class.
I have another which shows a whole group (not sure if the current year with the girls, or the whole program), but it is 10 girls to 27 total (and in those days there were two genders, so I don't need to do any more math). They were photographers. True they were learning, but they were sent out into the streets and onto sports fields, around school, around town and captured images. I have a portfolio from my dad and he has some amazing photographs of and around Los Angeles in the 1940s, all shot on 4x5 sheet film or 120 (2 1/4 x 3 1/4) roll film on his Speed Graphic. There is no requirement that you need to earn money with photography to be called a photographer.
The girls could have gotten married early and started a family. We don't know how many may have opened up or worked in studios, shot weddings, did freelance work, etc. Probably few if any of them went off to Europe to shoot battles, covered professional sports, or worked for Life magazine. But this was a vocational program, not a photography class, so the intent was a career in photography. My dad went into the Airforce during the Korean war, but stayed stateside and was a camera repairman working with aerial cameras. He got the GI bill, went to college and became a high school teacher, eventually starting and running photography programs, the yearbook and school newspaper.
Yes, you do need to earn money with photography to be a *professional* photographer.
The point is - the topic was women in the PROFESSION of photography during that time. You posted a photo of a group of high school students taking a class.
That's like posting a photo of a chemistry class and saying "look how many women were chemists!"
And yes, we don't know how many married early and became housewives or went on to be professional photographers. That's exactly my point as to why that photo is an example of absolutely nothing - other than that women existed at the time.
I would only point out the fact that this was a "vocational" program does invalidate your point ("that photo is an example of absolutely nothing"). It does show that women were interested in photography, trained vocationally to be photographers (implying intended to make money with photography), and actually owned photographic equipment of professional caliber (the program required the students to purchase equipment to participate- my dad had to come up with around $1000 for a Speed Graphic outfit) at least in the 1940s. I do agree that being called a professional photographer implies you need to make money. That is not what you said initially regardless of context. Please keep cool. This is a friendly conversation, not an argument. I thought the photograph was relevant to the overall comments.
Considering that almost all fashion publications have female editors, this is a very good question.
Yup. The only genres where I see a decent amount of female photographers are weddings, boudoir, and portraits. I feel like that's because men find it much more acceptable and "proper" for a woman to do that type of photography because that stuff, especially weddings, are more "feminine" anyway.
But commercial fashion? Photojournalism? Women are not often behind the camera there.
Pardon me, but why does it matter how much melanin is in the photographer's skin?
Nothing to do with melanin. Everything to do with representation. But then you have the luxury of not knowing or caring about things that don't impact you directly.
I also consider things beyond emotion like:
- What is the percentage of black professional fashion photographers generally?
- Of those, how many have attempted to work on projects with which she's involved?
- Of those, how many declined the work?
- How much control does the model have over selecting the photographer(s)?
Preach Brother Preach
It doesn't, well at least it shouldn't. For any person to be recognized for their skin color rather than their work should be considered an insult.
That's a very good question! Why does it matter how much melanin is in anyone skin? That's a question that 400 years (400th anniversary this year) of American history still hasn't answered.
So you actually see nothing wrong with the fact that this is the FIRST BLACK PHOTOGRAPHER IN THIRTY DAMN YEARS that she's worked with? That doesn't strike you as... odd? Like maybe they are... underrepresented?
I guaran-goddamn-tee if the situation were reversed and someone said "this is the first white photographer I've worked with in three decades" y'all would lose your shit and talk about how white people are being oppressed.
Thirty years as a successful mainstream fashion model is a long time. Don't fashion models have any say in who their photographer is for their own portfolios?
Why hasn't she said anything before? Like "hey wait, where are all the black photographers? This is so odd that its all white dudes!"
I guaran-goddamn-tee if it were her first white photographer, the vast majority of people would go, "oh cool" and move the fuck on.
We continue to let the minority be the loudest voice, "OPPRESSION!!!!" when the majority of people do not give one flying fuck about this and look at the content of the person rather than the color of their skin, honestly.
Yep. The majority of people don't care. I agree with you about that.
It may sound counterintuitive but I think those who notice these sort of things are actually trying to divide people. Maybe unwillingly but still. Why would that matter? We’re all people, why notice color, gender, sexual orientation, religion. It would never stop. Now it’s the first black fashion photographer, later it’s gonna be the first gay fashion photographer, then the first transgender, the first black transgender, the first Muslim, the first Muslim transgender. We could go on and on trying to notice how someone is different. Why?
I think representation in the industry really is unbalanced, and making that observation is not necessarily "trying to divide people".
Spot-on!
So what!? I couldn't care less what skin color the photographer has, nor should anyone else.
The arrogance to suggest that you could tell anyone else what they should care about.
Yeah, I mean the paradox of people who claim to be antiracist but then go on and obsess over skin color. But if you want to judge people by their color of their skin, be my guest, your not the first or the last. Cheerios!
Don't you find the gender & race imbalance in the profession at all interesting? I do. Not pointing fingers anywhere, just interested. I suppose the first step in addressing the question would be to find out whether participation is, in fact, tilted. My impression, based on two decades of working with scores of pros in the NYC area, is that there are more women pros than you'd think from viewing online media, but that there really are very few African-American photographers in the industry.
It's neither interesting nor surprising, because black people only make up 13% of the US population. So, putting everything else aside, there isn't even a mathematical reason to see more black photographers than you do. By the way, I get hired probably 95% of the time by women, so there goes the whole gender thing.
You're assuming that 13% of pro photographers are black. My experience is that the figure is much lower. As for "the whole gender thing", your point is...???
I'm saying no more than 13% and your experience is purely anecdotal. There's no reason to assume that equal amounts of people from every race would choose, and therefore be represented, in any profession. This site says 9.7% of US photographers are black: https://datausa.io/profile/soc/photographers
My broader point about gender is that no one is keeping anyone "out" of this profession. It shouldn't be a surprise that things aren't perfectly equal, because men and women *generally* gravitate to different things in life.
Mike,
First, thanks for the link to statistical data. Very interesting and informative.
I haven't read every post here, but I don't think ANYONE here is suggesting that some people are keeping others out of this profession. Underrepresentation is not always a matter of active discrimination or hard structural barriers. Even if the differential is a result of "individual choice", choices are affected by opportunities and environmental conditions, and if people of a certain group feel that a particular professional environment or culture is unwelcoming, their choices may be reflective of outside forces and not simply the appeal of a particular activity. There's certainly lots of evidence that women "choose" not to enter certain professions because they are made to feel unwelcome and marginalized, and where efforts are made to rectify these issues, women choose to participate in greater numbers.
Also, 9.7% participation of African-Americans in the industry signifies a 25% underrepresentation compared to their 13% composition of the population. Women are underrepresented by 10% (i.e. with just 45% of photographers being women, there are 10% fewer women photographers than there would be if they were proportional to their share of the general population), so a 25% underrepresentation of African-Americans is quite a large gap. I also note that women photographers' wages are only 56% of men's. Further, it seems pretty obvious that women are disproportionately underrepresented in related media. Here I'll cite public reaction to a recent manufacturer's ad campaign which highlighted a panel of photographers who were ALL men.
I'm not making any judgement that these facts need to be changed. As you say, it may just be that, for whatever reasons, African-Americans or women aren't as interested in photography. But, their disproportionately low level of participation gives cause to wonder what influences are at play.
Imbalance? So it needs to be balanced? For everything or just certain professions?
Should it be balanced regardless of the fact its a lot less colored people than white people to begin with in the states?
But you are correct I do not find the race/ethnic imbalance interesting at all.
Simply because I do not interact with other humans based on race or skin color, why?
Because I can't expect anyone else to treat me based on my merits as a human if I go around and think everything happens to me based on the color of my skin. I simply refuse to universally see white people as racist or people of color as my default brethren.
How many white people work in Indian restaurants in Europe?
How many Indian NHL players do you have? Or even players of color? Should the NHL draft based on color just to be balanced?
To what goal and at what cost should the workplace strive for “color balance” ?
Let me take an example. This is a true story.
A production company here in Sweden was looking to hire a new film editor, a person that had previous experience and was confident in their role as a film editor. They put up a post on their facebook page and got several replies.
One of them stood out though.
It was from an Afro-Swedish woman, who had no previous experience in film editing or even in the business. Her argument why they should hire her was simply to diversify the color of their staff. This was no joke but a serious argument as to why they should hire her. In fact, she put in such wording that they needed to hire her since they had no person of color on staff.
Should they hire her?
Do they owe her something just because of the color of her skin?
Before you go off on a rant, answer this: Did I say it should be balanced? If you're not curious about whether the imbalance exists or, if it does, the reasons for it, I invite you to simply move on to the next article.
Rant ? You posed a question and i answered, you might not like the answer but that is beside the point.
You seem to forget you responded to my post and asked a question, if you can't muster the courage to engage in a civil discussion just say so, don't use excuses just because you did not like the answer.
You also seem incapable of answering my questions yet you pose new ones...
I told you precisely why I don't care about the color of people's skin, to this point you haven't told me jack other than to move on to the next article... which is all but contributing to the discussion.
Wow, lotsa hostility over...what, exactly? Seems some folks around here simply don't want the topic to be discussed or even noted.
Jacques Cornell Hostility? What exactly in my responses towards you do you find hostile? The fact I share my opinion and answered your question?
Our definition of hostility is obviously planets apart.
The fact is you are the one who does not want to engage and discuss the subject matter, the only thing you have said is that you're "curious" and find it "interesting", and then tell people to move on once we actually get to why some of us reason and think as we do.
Kind of childish behavior and certainly not in the spirit of discussing the topic.
So instead of the passive-aggressive attitude trying to tell rest that we do not want to discuss the topic, try to actually engage and answer some questions your self instead of posing new ones.
OK, I get it. You wish the whole subject of disproportionately low representation of women and minorities in the photography profession would just go away, and you resent anyone bringing it up, which is why you react with knee-jerk hostility to an article which does nothing more than observe that the phenomenon exists. I don't know why that might be. Nobody is threatening to stop you from being a photographer in an effort to impose statistical balance.
You're not even close to getting it, the fact that you can't come up with anything else than your strawman arguments and passive-aggressive attitude is proof of that.
But to spell it out once again for you. I do not care about people's skin color or race, not in my profession or any other profession period. Why?
Because I do not see the need for balance or representation as I do not put a value on skin color or race. Period. Unless you put a value on race/skin color representation is irrelevant.
That does not mean I wish it to go away, I could not care less as it's not a problem in my eyes, to begin with. What I do wish is that people who claim race/skin color should not matter would stop bringing it up all the time and demand balance and representation based on the very thing they say they are against. Judging people by their race/skin color.
So no you still haven't got it.
Paul, I note your complaints that I haven't responded to everything you've said. You've not yet responded to this first post of mine.