For me and many photographers that I know, compositing and post-processing is fine, even needed in many cases. The thing that we all seem to get wrapped around the axle about is when a fellow artist is not entirely forthcoming about how a work was produced.
Let’s get a few things on the table from the start. First, I am a fan of Peter Lik and his photography. He is a master marketer and probably the most successful photographer of our era as measured by sales. What’s more, my guess is that there aren’t too many people who write about him who actually put their money where their mouth is: I am the proud owner of #175/950 of Lik’s “Solace.” Second, as a photographer and an artist, I have absolutely no issue with composited or processed images. With many landscape and nightscape photographs, compositing is a necessity given the dynamic range, depth of field, and a whole host of other challenges in capturing the scene entirely in-camera. Most photographers are aware that even the great Ansel Adams did quite a bit of post-processing of his work. He is notorious for spending a full day in the dark room to produce one photograph. Yes, photography purists might say that it is only real if everything is done in-camera, and that’s OK too.
So, what is the fuss all about? Well, a few days ago the Fstoppers gang (Lee Morris, Patrick Hall, David Strauss, and Mike Kelley) did a video segment called “How Fake Is This Photo by Peter Lik?” where they discussed whether a new image released by the photographer was real or not. The photograph in question is called “Moonlit Dreams” and features a large, very sharp rendition of a nearly full moon (a few days past full) rising behind a cliff with trees. The bulk of the conversation centered on issues such as dynamic range, lighting, depth of field, size of the moon, location of clouds, and if this is possibly the same moon used in another Lik photograph, “Bella Luna.” With both photographs, there is definitely an issue with clouds appearing to be behind the moon, I’m going to set that aside for the argument’s sake.
Before discussing the realness of “Moonlit Dreams,” I’d like to attempt to put to rest conversations still lingering from 2012 about whether Lik’s “Bella Luna” is a composite or not. In a nutshell: it must be a composite. Again, being a composite is fine and dandy for many photographers and customers too. Except, here’s what Lik has said about capturing that photograph (paraphrased):
This shot has eluded me my entire photographic career. I searched for days to line up this classic tree with the moon. The golden sphere slowly rose in front of me. I pressed the shutter, a feeling I'll never forget. The moon, tree, and earth.
In his commentary, he continues to have us believe that the photograph is entirely composed and shot in his camera. How can we tell with 100 percent certainty that the image is a composite? Because science; it has everything to do with physics, not photography. You see, it is physically impossible to have the north pole of the rising moon at the very top, as it is in this photograph, for any picture taken in Kodachrome Basin, Utah. Or, said another way, the terminator shadow cannot be perpendicular to the horizon at the latitude of Kodachrome Basin when the moon is just rising. The physics of its orbit around Earth do not allow it to appear that way. In reality, the only possible way for the moon to be in this orientation when it is rising is if the picture were taken north of Utah, and I’m not just talking about Wyoming. It would have to be shot well above the arctic circle.
Now we can move on to the more recent image, “Moonlit Dreams,” and its authenticity. There are certainly other things going on in the shot that might lead you to believe it is a composite. Most notably, in my opinion, is the fact that there is no way to achieve the level of sharpness of the moon at the altitude shown in the photograph. Every photon of sunlight being reflected by the moon is also being greatly refracted as it passes through Earth’s atmosphere on its way to the camera’s sensor. At that low altitude, the photons would be traveling through a lot of it. Add to that the fact that a long focal length lens must have been used. Those optics would serve to magnify all of that roiling refracted light and help to create a relatively blurry final image. Once again, I’d like to back burner all of that and focus on the physics of the moon’s orbit around Earth.
Everyone reading this is mostly familiar with the notion that the moon goes through phases: new, waxing crescent, first quarter, waning gibbous, full, etcetera. With all of the supermoon hype by the media, you are probably also aware that the moon gets larger and smaller from our point of view. This is caused by the moon’s orbit being elliptical in shape, giving it a closest approach (perigee) and farthest approach (apogee). At closest approach you likely have heard that it can appear to be up to 14 percent larger than farthest; that’s the supermoon.
But wait, there’s more. Besides the phases and size, the moon also has a wobble, called libration. Libration has to do with the variable speed of the moon along its elliptical orbit combined with the fixed rotation speed of the moon itself. The specifics aren’t extremely important, the effect is what’s relevant. That is, at certain times during its orbit, we can actually see around to sides of the moon that we wouldn’t see if libration didn’t take place. Instead of seeing just 50 percent of the face of the moon, we can actually see about 59 percent of the face of the moon over time.
But wait, there’s even more. In addition to the phases, the size, and the wobble, there is also a roll. That’s right, on top of all the other movements, the face of the moon will also appear to roll left and right. If you want to see all of this in action, NASA has created a great website illustrating it with a cool movie. What does it have to do with Lik’s “Moonlit Dreams” photograph? In short, because of all of these movements, it would be extremely unlikely to capture the exact same face of the moon in two separate shots at different times and in different locations. Yet, Lik’s two photographs, “Bella Luna” and “Moonlit Dreams,” show exactly the same face of the moon (when corrected for scaling distortion) proving that it is the same image of the moon in both pictures. The odds of this happening by chance are probably something like winning the lottery, getting hit by lightning, and solving global warming all in the same day. Planning for such an alignment would also be next to impossible. Even if he were able to calculate the exact moment when the moon would appear the same, it would have to also be taken with a precision measured in seconds for the two images to line up like these do.
Move the slider above to see just how perfectly the moons line up, after being corrected for scale differences in the images, between Lik's "Bella Luna" and "Moonlit Dreams."
As if all of this weren’t enough evidence, here’s another thing to noodle on. In “Moonlit Dreams,” the moon is tack sharp. For the level of sharpness, the edge of the moon is unrealistically smooth and round. As a nightscape photographer, I have traveled to the top of Mauna Kea in Hawaii with an 8,000mm lens (a telescope actually) to capture sharp lunar images. What you quickly realize with ultra-sharp images of the moon is that you can also make out mountains and craters on the limb, or edge. Sometimes you can even see mountain peaks that are around the limb of the moon. For example, below is one of my lunar photographs illustrating how this looks. In the bottom right blown up inset, some of the ridges you see are actually from the distant part of Mare Orientale, a large crater on the western border of the near side and far side of the moon. Lik’s photograph, by comparison, shows a clean, anti-aliased (i.e., smoothed) edge to the moon that definitely should not appear so tidy given the overall sharpness.
Here's the bottom line: I don't believe that the moon in either of Lik's photographs was there when the picture was taken. I am not saying there couldn't be a moon in his raw images, it just is not the moon we see in the final works. I also believe that the image of the moon used in both photographs is the same. In "Bella Luna" it has been scaled and blurred a bit to fit with the composition. In "Moonlit Dreams" it has had the shadows brightened to make the moon appear full. One telltale sign of this is that the moon seems "flat" in that region, a common mistake when shadow areas have been pulled up too high in post-processing. The other giveaway is that the edge of the shadows in the craters on the right side of the moon match the shadows in the craters in "Bella Luna," except for the small oversight that a full moon should not have any shadows in the craters.
At the end of the day, photography is an art form and there certainly are many interpretations about what is right or wrong and good or bad. I believe what the folks are asking for from Lik and his associates is for them to speak the truth about the work, whatever that truth may be. Nothing more and nothing less.
The location is Zhangjiajie National Forest Park in China, so apparently the moon also rises between mountains... amazing. Image credit: /u/mortalwound (reddit).
This is what I kept thinking. We all seem to be assuming that it would even be possible to take this photo, at that location, as it’s presented. I though, this cliff is somewhere, but for all I know, to get that perspective on it, you would be looking north or some other direction that would never work with a setting or rising full moon.
Does anyone know what direction this is facing?
The rock he photographed is apparently called Stone Hull. This is the best geotagged shot I could find of it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/65320201@N03/30211711491 which puts it here: https://goo.gl/maps/sEESC3Ux8Bo
Based on that I would guess the cliff face is running south-west
Excellent detective work Jayden! It would be interesting to find some way to verify 100% that it is Stone Hull and where Lik would have been standing to shoot it.
I don't know about you, but I'm 100% sure these below images are all of the same tree/cliff. The final image below comes from https://www.thepoortraveler.net/2013/12/tianzi-mountain-nature-reserve-w... and they actually name it as Stone Ship (my mistake)
It looks like there is a viewing platform in the foreground of the third image you posted above. It would be interesting to find that platform on Google Maps as it will show what direction "Stone Ship" is in the photograph. I'll try to look later (traveling) but If you happen to find it Jayden, let me know. Excellent work!
The third photo was geotagged in the exif, straight from camera, so the google map link above should be accurate. Unfortunately the gmaps imagery is too low res to pick out formations..
Too bad. I’d be interested in figuring that out. Nice job looking into though!
This is clearly the exact spot. I guess its the valley that the moon rises from *eye roll*... regardless of the direction it is facing, based off of the mountains in the background, it seems there would be no plausible way that the moon could rise where its being shown in the picture... this take the photo from a composite to a fraud as far as I'm concerned. Its one thing if you composite a shot that 'could' happen... this is nothing more than digital art... unfortunate.
If it wasn't already proven so obviously fake I'd do more research with photopills etc to see if the shot was even possible and if the moon was actually in that position within the time frame it was supposedly taken. Not gonna bother wasting any more time, got better things to do!
Great article. That A/B comparison alone completely made the point. Thanks.
Exceptionally well written article. It doesn't bother me per se that Peter Lik made this image as a composite. What bothers me to a bigger extent is that he's not forthcoming about it. But what really roasts my apples is that when I stood in his Gallery in Las Vegas, one of the salespersons said --absolutely definitively -- told me this shot is100% real. That was not true. What I hate to think about most is the fact there are customers out there who wound up purchasing this image thinking it was real, and it's not. They were deceived, and that constitutes fraud.
On another note, I shot the attached Moon photo with a 1,000 mm lens (500mm f/4 with 2x extender. This was shot on film and I'm happy to tell people it's a composite with one frame shot for the sharp Moon and one shot made for the sharp tree. but the big difference is that the tree and the moon were in exactly those spots, and I'd have the two pieces of film to prove it. When I later made the calculations to have a sharp aperture with the tree and moon sharp in a single frame, the tree would have needed to be three miles away from where I was standing. given the size of the Moon and Peter licks photo, he would probably have to have been standing at least 15 miles away from the foreground element to have both appear sharp in the frame.
I thought you guys might like this. I shoot the moon often. This image is over 3 miles away from the Ridge, shot with an 800mm (400mm 2.8 doubled). It is almost impossible to get foreground and moon both perfectly sharp. Also, notice atmospheric distortion, even with the moon being fairly high in the sky due to the altitude of the mountain. This image is real, one click in camera (processed in raw) . I think we need to classify what is "real" what is "manipulated" & what is a "composite". I do call classic techniques, such as Dodge, Burn, and basic techniques (What would Ansel do?), within the realm of "real" , and a critical element in photography. I think when you add/remove things you go into the place of fantasy.
Bottom line ... compositing for the purpose of capturing all of the elements in a scene to account for depth of field, dynamic range, etc. is still photography (i.e. HDR and nightscapes); but compositing elements from different times and places is not photography, it is photo art, and ethically it should be labeled as such.
Well, I think when you put these 2 pics side by side, no scientific evidence is needed right? What happened to the horizon?! Maybe he should pick a location that is not as well known. For being such a great photographer, he's not very smart.
Awesome. Does anyone know what direction this is facing?
I think this is another orientation: https://goo.gl/maps/8o9RWE9nH8C2 unfortunately not geotagged
D Bray, do you have a source (link) for the image on the left?
To be honest, I'm not surprised.
I remember watching a video about him and his 6x17 camera a few years ago, and the guy came across as a horrible narcissist and the sort of photographer that would edit his photos beyond the norm so they end up like some CGI scene.
Well done to the guy for making some serious money, but I dont think I could ditch my principles to get fame and attention.
I know that Bella Luna is well established as a composite, but scientifically there are even a few more problems with it. I cropped out the left part of sky and plate solved the star positions here: http://nova.astrometry.net/user_images/1968899#annotated This shows that the stars were flipped and that the moon is taking up around 40 degrees of sky (a tad more than the 1/2 a degree it normally takes up).
Finally, this region of sky, the Lacerta constellation, is far too north. The moon can never be in that part of the sky.
Excellent thought Jayden. I had also sent it through Astrometry.net and got the same. I didn’t put it in the article as it started to get too techie on the astronomy side.
"Most photographers are aware that even the great Ansel Adams did quite a bit of post-processing of his work. He is notorious for spending a full day in the dark room to produce one photograph."
Post processing, yes - but are any of his photos known to be composites?
Hi Dee. I wasn't trying to imply that Adams did composites (not sure if he did or not). Just wanted to point out that even he did a fair amount of post processing.
Right. But that just seems like a bit of an apples to oranges comparison to throw out there in a conversation about compositing. I know it's completely subjective, but I think accenting or adjusting elements of an image is a different ballgame than adding elements that weren't in the original photo to begin with...
It's just that some photography purists might not agree. It is probably a relatively small percentage of the photography population but I have definitely heard it. And, there are varying degrees of post processing as well. Others feel that like hits the clarity, vibrance, and saturation sliders a bit too hard. So, I just wanted to acknowledge that those are definitely concerns people have brought up about his work. Personally, I have no issue with the post processing done. Putting a moon where one wasn't, well, that's not really my cup of tea.
Talking only, why you don't use forensic software???
If you read a few posts above Jayden actually used a website that is familiar to those in the astronomy world, it's called astrometry.net. The way it works is you basically "feed" it a picture with some stars in it and the system will do what is called a "plate solve". Meaning it compares the arrangement of stars in the submitted image to massive catalogs of stars to determine what the stars in the image are and where they are located. It's actually pretty cool stuff. I left it out of this article as it could get a little too much for some folks but I'm really glad that Jayden brought it up.
Forensic means scientific, like those used by law enforcement.
https://ampedsoftware.com/authenticate or Axon Detect...
Well, I don’t exactly consider compositing photographs a crime so using an astrometry application seemed appropriate and just about as scientific as it gets.
Steve, its not about crime its about the 30 minutes fruitless debate. Its faster to check with the software, takes less than 2 minutes.
I hear what you're saying. It actually takes less than 2 minutes for even a semi-trained eye to figure out these shots are composites (e.g., clouds behind moon)...no software needed. As a photographer, I think that it is interesting to debate whether the shots *could* be done in camera without compositing. I don't think any forensic software will tell me if the moons are exactly the same between shots. I don't consider that a fruitless debate. It is fun and enlightening, IMHO. Also, neither Amped or Axon Detect make it easy for someone to buy or try their products. As a writer, we make very little money from these articles so it isn't very feasible for me to go purchase software that is likely fairly expensive. I spent 25 years creating software and running software companies in Silicon Valley so I have a pretty good idea that if I have to ask "how much" it is probably pricey (neither company publishes prices on their website...they want you to contact them). :-)
OK, its clear.
Personally I would concentrate my attentions to the trees on the picture.
I have 2 moon shots with 200mm where one I did cut circle and other did not one that is not cut you can clearly see that moon is not round even at 200mm, now imagine his 1800mm lens there should be Mount Everest on the moon visible :)
Absolutely. It seems simple but I hadn't ever heard this argument brought up so I wanted to include it in my article.
Don't know if it can be seen here but ...
It definitely can be seen here. There's certainly some atmospheric refraction happening too but the features on the limb are visible.
How come no one is pointing out that the MOON IS IN FRONT OF THE FRIGGING CLOUDS
Like "Is it photoshopped? Let's play devils advocate and see"
It is in front of the clouds. Instant BS
Hi David. It has been pointed out quite a bit. I mention it right at the front of the article since it is an obvious issue. There are some ways that the moon can *appear* to be in front of clouds but the moon would usually be much brighter in the image. It's a whole other discussion that I wanted to just set aside for this particular piece.
The comments here are the reason articles like this anger me. Who cares how Peter Lik markets his work? I walk into his galleries and I'm mesmerized by them. When I'm in there I look at the photos on the wall and appreciate them for what they are - the work of a human being who figured out how to make it as a working photographer in this "everyone is a photographer" world we live in.
Jealousy really shows when people start attacking him because of images like this. Who cares if its a composite. I have seen this piece in his galleries and it is a really great piece of art. I don't care how its made. People post fake "Supermoon" photos all the time and never say that they're composited - that is the world we live in.
When you're shooting RAW, Photoshop is what you have to process. All over the net there are photographers making money selling tutorials showing you how to use masking layers and tools in Photoshop, but Peter Lik does it and suddenly his photos aren't art anymore.
Lik is successful. He figured out how to do it. Leave him alone and stop trying to judge him for not being ordinary like all of us photographers that play by the rules yet never get noticed. You are in charge of your destiny. If you want to be popular like Peter Lik, then go do it. Don't drag him down to your level just because he's made it and you haven't.
Hi Michael. This is just my opinion but I think that the vast majority of people don't care if he does compositing, post processing, or whatever. It is the disconnect between what he says publicly and those actions that bother folks. Yes, people post supermoon fakes all the time but few are charging many thousands of dollars for them while saying they were done in camera. Speaking for myself, that is the only thing I am discussing here. As I've stated numerous times, I own one of his prints and I am a fan of his work by and large.
So, you don't care when people lie to you? Personally I take offence to it. If these are indeed highly processed images and he says they are not then people are being defrauded out of a lot of money.
How about this photo? Near and far away objects.. All in perfect focus!
If (255, 255, 255) is no compositing
and if (127, 127, 127) is lowest limit of acceptable compositing...
... then this image rates nearer (0, 0, 0)
Remember to tip your waiter, I'm here all week
Good comment, but how did you manage to travel to the future and back? March 3, 2018? I know some governmental agencies who would like to talk with you... just saying!
Those images are from a planetarium application showing what the moon would look like from that location. Updated the caption to be more clear.
The side of the moon is on top when it rises or sets.This Photo shows the NORTH pole of the moon at the top! Holy crap! Only if you were standing at the North Pole on Earth will you get a shot like this, but then where will the trees come from? A nice photo-shop indeed!
Yep, both points covered in the article. You'll see in the comments here that for the cliff face in the China park, there are even mountains that should be on the horizon and the moon would be rising between the cliff and the mountains.
Hi, guys. look at the picture in PS when a solar curve is applied. You can see those artefacts on the edge of the moon. looks like a composition to me.
Thank You all, I’m not a photographer and have bought three of his works in the past. I saw your post on Moonlight Dreams and just saved $3,850.00 from not buying this latest work. I was within an hour of buying this. I now view him as a FRAUD! and question the other pieces??? Thanks Again for your posts...