Sending a photography quote out is always a stressful moment, especially if it is for a job you really want. Here are a few memorable reactions from potential clients.
Like most purchases in life, photography has a price range that goes from incredibly cheap to eye-wateringly expensive. I always liken it to food. You can get the cheapest of cheap food from a major supermarket or pay thousands for an extravagant meal from a famous chef. Both are great, but for very different reasons. However, in photography, it would seem like a lot of people do not entirely grasp this concept, so I thought I'd share a few of my experiences.
How Much?
The blank look of shock and panic over the coffee table as you explain what the client thought would cost $200 is going to cost them $2,000. Even after breaking down the hours required to do the job and explaining that without owning any equipment that it would be less than minimum wage, they still seem shocked at the price.
I now have a document from a rental store in the UK that lists all of my kit and the rental price for what I use daily, which usually far surpasses the quote that I give people. Sometimes, they realize that their expectations were miles out and either align them with my fee, or I often help them find someone who I think could do a good job for less money. However, I have found these people three years later after they got a less than minimum wage photographer and then realized that they have had no return on that small investment, by which point they are happy to spend money on something that will actually help.
That Is (Insert Expletive) Ridiculous
The cost of an item can make some people angry, and this is often directed toward the vendor. To my shock, I have on several occasions had potential clients be aggressive toward me because of the quote I have given them. We have all been there at the bar when it's our round and the bill is three times what you expected, but the difference here is that the drinks haven't metaphorically already been poured. A simple “that isn’t in my price range” would suffice. Going nuts about how expensive they think it is doesn’t really do anything for anyone.
I Can See A Doctor For Less Than That
A few years ago, I gave a very reasonable quote of $500 for a band to have a two-hour sitting in my studio. It was a price that I was quoting for all sittings like it at the time. This particular band was very angry. The spouted that a doctor charged less, which where I live is true. Seeing a doctor for a 20-minute consultation would cost a little less, having them do two hours of work plus an hour's prep and two hours of post-production work however would cost considerably more, and rightly so. Needless to say, they found someone who would happily shoot thousands of images for eight hours solid for the grand sum of $150, which is absolutely fine, as I assume they were happy with them. But why ask someone who clearly charges more and then give a passive aggressive response to them?
The Last Photographer Did It For
The last photographer we used only charged X amount. We weren't overly happy with the work, so we are looking for someone new, but you are four times more expensive. Could you match their price?
This is bizarre, because in no other field would you find a product four times better for the same price as the original item. Photography is a tough one, as we charge a perceived value that is far less tangible than a buying a stack of wood. For some, they do not see the difference or understand that some photographers simply can not produce work of the same quality as others. If someone booked me because I was cheaper than Annie Leibowitz and for no other reason, they would be extremely disappointed when they received my work. But then booking Annie Leibowitz and expecting her to work for the same fee that I would just isn't realistic.
Can We Have a Discount If You Don’t Use Assistants and Stylists
I actually get this a lot. There seems to be an assumption that assistants and stylists are a prop to have in my studio rather than them adding any actual benefit to the shoot. I usually say yes, but then explain how the one-day shoot will now take 2.5 days due to the lack of hands, and that at the reduced rate, it will cost about double and the images won't look as good. These potential clients rarely book.
Why Don't I Own the Images
Usage is a tricky one to explain to anyone who started out in marketing in the last 10 years. Trying to explain that your day rate covers the labor and that they then have to license the image for usage does not go down well. Over the years, I have tried to educate clients, but they usually find someone cheap to do the job instead, which is fine. More recently, I have offered them a day rate with the specific license or a complete buy-out of the image/images if they would prefer. This seems to be far better received and something that I should have started doing years ago.
We Have Lots More Work Coming
This sentence is used in a lot of different ways, but often as a counteroffer to your fee. When they don’t think you are worth what you are charging, the promise of extra work comes up. Now, if someone wants to book more than 10 days in the space of a month, I do offer a small discount, but I also take money upfront, as it is a big chunk of work to be pulled in one go. But if we are talking about one day every other week, I just don't have the room in my pricing to budge on my fee. When I was a bit more innocent, I would often be bowled over by such offers, although I don't ever remember an instance where the additional work materialized.
Can We Pay a Bit More
Businesses, government, and tax years. Every February, I get a heap of requests to offload parts of budget onto photography projects. If it doesn't get spent, they won't get it the following year in the UK, so they need to empty the coffers. This might sound great, but it usually means an ill-thought-out proposal followed by re-shoots and general chaos. Whenever a shoot hasn't been fully thought out, it won't go well.
What reactions have you had to your quotes?
haha, you might want to check that business model. Although if I had the money, I would much rather pay to shoot what I want than be paid to shoot what I am told.
post shoot fee discussions are never good. I have had a few try this in the past.
Cant negotiate a signed contract. So your contract should cover you. Also, how do you suppose billionaires get to be billionaires?
Cant inherit billions unless someone made it in the first place.
If they have no budget in mind, one can ask them, "What is the value to you?" Will the photos help generate sales, boost membership, attract event attendees, boost employee morale? What is that worth?
yeah I have had those conversations haha.
One phenomenon I've frequently experienced in the photo industry that I've never encountered elsewhere is that often negotiations begin with the presumption that you are worth nothing and your first step is convincing the client that you should be paid at all.
I'm sometimes amazed at how often I've gotten an email from a potential client asking about a shoot and when I respond stating I will draw up a quote. (at this point no dollar amount has been mentioned) They respond with anger, bewilderment, confusion, etc. They had emailed with the presumption I would take the job for free and they become annoyed that I have the temerity to expect payment at all. This was one of the biggest reasons I stopped working for individual clients rather than companies. I became so tired of starting every negotiation under the presumption that I should be working for free.
Yeah, I get a few people looking for this. Often who also work in creative fields.
Had a savvy repeat client ditch me to save a few bucks. Got an email from an insider the next day: "Oh my god. The photos are so bad. Yours would have been so much better."
That insider soon left the company.
Didn't hear from that client for two years.
One day, out of the blue, an email inquiring about my availability. We picked up right where we left off (no price haggling), and they're now one of my best clients, even referring new clients to me.
Some folks just have to learn the hard way.
That's always a re assuring conversation to have had.
Ironically, tradespeople dealing with the public have had this same experience throughout time. One of the better responses I've heard - of which some variant has been around for years and years and is no less true now - is when the plumber, having been called in for some emergency replaces a $10 part in just a few minutes of arriving, and presents his bill for a few hundred bucks. Customer freaks and asks for a justification. Plumber responds with; "Part and Labor $50... knowing which part to replace... $200"
I am very happy to no longer be running a business.
I recently had a real estate agent ask me to shoot a $4 million (6,500 sq ft) property for $150! I was floored, given that he was due to gross approximately $100k (3%). It is so mind-numbing to haggle over pennies in comparison to what they are making in the long run. It was a total slap in the face...Good riddance!
Stupidest stock photo of the week award!
A lighter take: I guarantee that that paper is not a quote for photographic services.
Good Luck to those who think they can market in a downturn industry.
One suggestion is to do the sandwich method followed by a closing question.
When you get to price explain again what they are getting. Followed by price and then followed by benefits. Then ask a closing question.
I will be there for however many hours.
With a stylist.
Assistant.
Etc.
My price is $xxxx
Which also includes all lighting.
Backdrops.
Etc.
Then the close - At this price and with everything I have included. Can I be your photographer/videographer etc.
Or however you close. The sandwich method is pretty effective.
Good idea but, some clients want to know what went into the sandwich. Fees, expenses, usage...
“I Can See A Doctor For Less Than That”
Canadians: lol.
This (great!) article is both a lesson in paying the true cost of a service and in the art of negotiation.
No one wants to pay the true cost of life. It's just a fact, and the sooner we capitulate, the more time and money we save. The negotiation part is a bit trickier.
A negotiation tactic I recommend is gently to put the problem back on the client by asking an innocent question: "How am I supposed to do that?" 'That,' of course, being all the unfairities in the client's argument: Price, forgoing assistants and makeup artists, licensing, turn-around, freebies, etc.
Don't budge, and creatively keep repeating, "How am I supposed to ______?" Follow patiently by an awkward silence that you must resist the temptation to fill. Eventually, even the most recalcitrant client will start providing solutions him/herself.
It is a fascinating study in human nature to watch an angry person finish venting, pause, reflect, re-state, and begin to argue with him/herself.
Cheers!
Since everybody who has a cell phone is a photographer, it is hard to explain people that you are better or you are artist or you are so good that they have to pay you bunch of money. Regardless how good you think you are, you need to sell yourself just like if you are selling any other product. Instead of telling your customer what you going to do for them, you should ask them what their budget is. If they say that they don't have a budget, then you ask the what is a range they are willing to pay. If you can do a job for the low end of the range, you got the sale. Don't even try for the high end, they will not go for it. Just walk away or tell them exactly what they can get for the low end. Maybe they just want 20 shots and don't care for a quality or they want you for 12 hours. Regardless how hard you are going to try, you are not going to sell Mercedes to somebody who came to buy KIA.
"The Last Photographer Did It For" Interesting. So why are you looking for a quote from me?
I don't mind negotiating, but I draw the line when I have to pay the client to work for them.
I think the problem is most clients want to compare to their own salaries not understanding that their company is charging more then just paying them. While they are getting paid $30-40hr, they are charging the client $150-200hr because they have to pay the employers taxes, health insurance, 401k, the electric bill, the rent for the building, the computer they work on, the support staff that they can't charge a client directly, still make a profit, etc. It is easier to talk to businesses or business owners on fees, but the average person has no idea what their employer pays for them to have their job and will always think a businesses fees are too high.
Tell them they can get it good, fast, and cheap. Pick two.
I've had the same "photographer" beat me out of two clients by undercutting my prices -- which are already below industry average for our area. I was chatting with him about one of them (yeah, I know the guy) one day, and whenI told him what I had bid the job at, his response was, "Wow!! You asked for more for one photo than I asked for the whole job!!"
Then he did it again. In both instances, the potential clients told me that they loved my work, and were dying to work with me, then went with this low-baller. Interestingly, both of these potential clients had as their clients multi-millionaires, so they could have afforded my prices easily.
But they have shown their true colors -- price over quality. They didn't really want to work with me. What they were hoping for was a slightly different version of the old "exposure" game. I don't need the exposure. This kid who beat me out evidently does, as he's willing to work his tail off for the proverbial peanuts.
Me? I just walk away from "clients" who are that cheap.