The 5D Mark IV didn't really impress when it was released two years ago. In the middle of the ongoing mirrorless war, the leaked brochure of the full-frame Canon R camera shows what seems to be a simple mirrorless 5D Mark IV.
The race to the bottom continues for Canon. After the boring 5D Mark IV, the stagnant 6D Mark II, and an insipid line of EOS M cameras, we are going to be served with what appears to be a derivative of an existing DSLR.
The sensor seems to be recycled from the 5D Mark IV with 30.3mp (30.4mp on the Mark IV), and identical values for the resolution (6720 x 4480), pixel unit, and total number of pixels. While the 5D Mark IV certainly has the best sensor made by Canon, it still lags behind the ones from Sony and Nikon.
IBIS (In-Body Image Stabilization) is missing, which makes sense because two of the four RF lenses are fitted with Image Stabilization (Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro and the RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM). Also missing is the second card slot, but at least Canon sticks to the traditional SD card, unlike Nikon, which picked the expensive XQD format for its Z line.
In the video department, the Canon R can record in 4K UHD/30 and 1080p/60, but the amount of crop is unknown at this time. Unfortunately, based on the poor track record of this company regarding video, I fear the worst. The 5D Mark IV came with a 1.7x crop factor in 4K recording, while the fantastic DPAF (Dual Pixel Auto-Focus) was simply disabled on the Canon M50. At least Canon got rid of the inefficient MJPEG codec and the R camera can now record in h.264 at 120 Mbps.
Talking about auto-focus, the brochure indicates an impressive number of AF points with a maximum of 5,655 points. In terms of lens compatibility, the camera can be fitted with EF and EF-S lenses via the adapter, but the EF-M lenses are not compatible. Considering the poor selection of EF-M lenses, they won't be missed.
The four Canon RF lenses to be announced on September 5. Despite their weight, the RF 50mm f/1.2 and RF 28-70mm f/2 lenses are very appealing.
Here are some of the main specifications of the Canon R camera:
- Sensor: 30.3 megapixels (6720 x 4480)
- Image format: JPEG, RAW (14 bit Canon original), C-RAW (Canon original)
- Card: 1 slot, SD/SDHC/SDXC
- EVF: OLED color electronic viewfinder, 23mm eyepoint, 0.71x/33.3° magnification
- Autofocus: Max. 5,655 when selected with cross keys. EV -6 to 18 (f/1.2, at 73°F/23°C, ISO 100, One-Shot AF)
- Metering range: EV -3–20
- ISO sensitivity: 100 to 40,000 (extended ISO: 50, 51,200, 102,400)
- Maximum shutter speed: 1/8000 s
- High-speed continuous shooting: 8 fps (5 fps at servo AF)
- Video: 4K/30 and 1080/60, crop and video features unknown
- Codec and bitrate: MPEG-4 AVC / h.264, 480 Mbps (All-I) or 120mbps (IPB)
- LCD monitor: 2.15 millions dots, articulated flip screen, 100 percent coverage, 3.15 in./8.01 cm diagonal (2.63 in./6.67 cm width, 1.75 in./4.44 cm height)
- Battery: LP-E6N, 370 shots CIPA rating (450 with power saving)
- Weight: 660 g (including battery / memory card), 580 g (body only)
- Size: 135.8 x 98.3 x 84.4 mm
To be fair, this camera will take nice pictures and sell like hot cakes. Canon products are extremely solid performers. Lovely colors, legendary reliability, good weather sealing, perfect ergonomics, and flawless customer service are part of the equation. Specifications are not everything, but I personally think that Canon missed another opportunity to be competitive. The Canon R system only demonstrates that this brand is not willing to give us anything more than they are forced to. In this case, Sony, Fuji, and the Micro Four Thirds cameras are what forced Canon to release a full-frame mirrorless product. Will it be enough to convince people not to switch to Sony and Panasonic? Personally, I find the Canon response quite pathetic. At this point, I would recommend to anyone to wait and see what other manufacturers are going to announce this month. Panasonic is expected to unveil its own full-frame mirrorless system on September 25, while Sony should introduce a new a7S III soon.
Hahahah a fan boy wrote this article.
I'm a Canon shooter. I wish I could be a Canon fan boy.
So maybe you an explain your own confusion about Codec and bitrate:
MPEG-4 is a container
h264 is the codec, camera shoot 2 different bit-rate for 2 different qualities, but with one only codec
There is no one AVC and one h.264.
One is All-I One is Long gop.
Show very little knowledge to talk about a video product
What about the extra ring on the lenses for extra functionality?
Why just jump on only the soso aspect of the camera?
Click bait?
Hi. The article states correctly that the codec is h.264 but I wrote MPEG-4 AVC and h.264 in the specs list instead of ALL-I and IPB, which is now corrected. Thanks.
But there is some confusion in your comment, here is quick explanation:
MPEG is not a container but a set of standard defined by the Moving Picture Experts Group under several parts.
MPEG-4 AVC and h.264 are the exact same thing which is a codec (compression standard) defined by the MPEG group under Part 10 (MPEG-4 AVC) and by the ITU-T (h.264).
MP4 is the container (MPEG-4 Part 14).
All-I and IPB are the spatial algorithm methods used for compression.
I'm becoming super tired of people doing nothing but complaining about meaningless first world crap.
They sure are getting a lot of clicks and traffic with all this hate though
Truth
*sigh*
hug anus is idiot. you are moron. viva vivitar
For me, Fstoppers was about providing high-quality photography information and training. Honestly, I find this biased, anti-Canon rhetoric irritating and it is certainly not contributing to a good brand positioning of Fstoppers itself. The differences between good and bad photos have a lot more to do with the photographer than the gear and what I wanted to get from Fstoppers is valuable insights on how to shoot and post-process better images.
Don't worry, another writer will probably disagree with me and write a counter article. I'm not preaching the absolute truth and I'm also wrong sometime.
Sure the difference between a good and bad photo is not directly related to gears but having modern gears helps otherwise we would still take pictures with film cameras. My point is that Canon missed another opportunity to make it right for the camera (lenses are interesting actually). The insight is that people should wait and see what others brands are going to release before pre-ordering. Unfortunately I fear that Canon might not be the best bang for the buck.
Canon hasn't been the best bang per buck for a while now, for a rather large segment of the market.
That said, considering that your article is based upon a leak, perhaps some of the criticism is unfounded due to it being based upon speculation?
As a frustrated Canon shooter, I expect that this camera will be a mirrorless 5D. That in itself isn't a big problem, as long as it's priced properly - With properly meaning about the same as an A7 III.
I like to have lots of gears in my camera, too.
I dont understand what do you mean by "boring 5D Mark IV" - which is very personal statement, and than talk about specs that are based on the leaked brochure. So technically perfect camera is less boring?
And mirrorless camera with the same specs is also boring than?
I know people who shot with Mark IV and there pictures are far from "boring". So what does it makes of a camera? Less boring?
Specs are just specs. Does the price worth the specs is much better question. If it does - than nothing to complain about, it will find its place on the market. Probably already is.
"To be fair, this camera will take nice pictures and sell like hot cakes. Canon products are extremely solid performers"
Which is it? You writing a personal article or an objective one? Are you fair or not? I like personal opinions if they are based on some kind of "makes sense" experience... but it seems this whole article comes from frustration of needing to write something when you have nothing to say. But the title of the article is a click-bait so maybe it will turn into a storm of comments somehow... which is all the modern sites need. More clicks. More revenue. Why dont you just ask what other people think about the leaked brochure... will make the same effect... less bulls*
"My point is that Canon missed another opportunity to make it right for the camera (lenses are interesting actually"
Than why dont you write so? Honestly from the beginning... that maybe we all should wait before everything plays out on the board and when we see the whole picture - make decisions.
I am sorry if I am too harsh on you. But whole "click-bait" approach is too much for me. With the title and title picture. I am always hopping that fstoppers are better than that :). But I am driven by "long-long ago" nostalgia.
I think Nikon and Canon decided to give us "sub-cameras", a second one in the bag for professionals... maybe main camera for some people who dont care about slots and high end af features (we all get spoiled by eye-af?). Though I am not sure about Canon prices yet, but it seems - that Canon is leading in its quality-price value and since Canon mostly dominates the market in Japan, it takes things slowly, step by step - which makes a lot of sense. They have time before Olympics to make a splash... Nikon on the other hand is gambling. In Japan a lot of my friends Nikon users worried that it will "bleed" more and will be eaten by some other giant.
A brand new mirrorless camera that is recycling a sensor from an old DSLR that was already sub-par compared to its competition when it was released years ago would be pretty boring. Lets hope that's not the case.
I also hope they did some adjustments to the sensor. Though I dont have much experience with it, I have an assistant-turned photographer who swears by it :). Here in Japan, in studios, like 70 percent use Canon. I am pretty sure that is not because of the canon services...
Thanks for your comment Tim. You don't have to be sorry, it's all good. My article is just an opinion piece. The point is not about good or bad. It will be a good camera that will do the job. Same as a 2000 Toyota Corolla can bring you from point A to B without issue. But in the meantime all the other manufacturers come up with great features and I wish I could see some (not all, let's be realistic) in my next Canon body.
As you pointed it out the price will be decisive. If it comes at $2,000 or below, it might be a good deal. In the $3,000 area, I'm not so sure.
Well it just make sense not to rush things with mirrorless bodies for Canon. They want to see how all other "players" make their moves... but the lens line up seems very good. Exciting actually.
And they dont position there EOS R as a high-end mirrorless camera. No endless teasing like Nikon did, just a matter of fact - "we`re in" kind of move.
My title would be "Canon plays it safe"... not over-the top "screwed up". :)
"Unfortunately I fear that Canon might not be the best bang for the buck."
Based on what? Lets see some comparison, will make it a better article.
Canon has not been the best bang for the buck in just about any segment for years now. Nobody buys Canon because it's a good value for the feature set. They buy it because of the reliability and excellent ecosystem of lenses, accessories, and servicing.
Well, reliability is very big factor. Its actually probably the most important one.
Its nice to hear praise about canon servicing outside japan.
Canon's servicing is absolutely amazing. The only reason I chose Nikon over Canon when I made the switch to DSLR's is because I just didn't get along with their bodies ergonomically,
Michael, could you define exactly what is the "best bang for the buck" for a photocamera ?
Based on Canon history. The 6D were tagged at $2k on initially release. This one seems to be above the 6D in the line up so it MIGHT be $3k. We'll know soon enough.
Well, the same source of leak says it will be around 2k. So far so good.
Well, I admit, I think I was wrong. Canon is out of their minds :)
The prices on those lenses... jeezus! I dont care about the weight... the size, well, if the picture is that good... maybe you can forgive the size of them. but the price is... omg :) they cost like lenses for hassels x1d :)
The lenses are *very* interesting! I know because I shoot Nikon with a mirror. LOL
Also getting tired of clickbaity rants like this. Signal to noise is dropping.
Seems like the new crop of Nikon & Canon mirrorless cameras are getting some rough reviews. I'm wondering what the specs needed to be to get positive reviews. I'll stick with my Fuji for now...
Well the Canon has not even been "reviewed". Canon still hasn't actually released the camera yet. LOL
" I'll stick with my Fuji for now"
Wise decision, Fuji cameras and lenses are great.
Canon and Nikon are just warming up their engines I think. Give 'em a year, and if they're not off their asses and gang busting by then, all criticisms will be more valid.
So they're gonna need one year experience to understand many want a dual cards? Just dumb! A pass!
These are consumer/prosumer models. It will probably take them two years to make bodies along the likes of a D5/1Dx. Expect to see heavy machinery prototypes from both camps at the Olympics. Remember both these companies have decades of experience building heavy duty pro gear.
Jim
Canon and Nikon should make Alpha 7rIII or A7 III or A9.
Everything else is crap and could only get bad review. It is now worlwide well known that SONY is the only camera make able to build bodies that do not deceive "REAL" photographers.
Everyone wants infos and review from Canikon even before release, and expecting über giant leaps in dreamed technology, so Canikon are doomed as they are all saying it for years.
So all guys, if you still own Nikon gear, just send me them all, I'll be glad to remove all that bad stuff from your photobags. So you'll be pleased and satisfied to get the only ONE.
Clickbait driven article containing only speculations based on leaks before official presentation ... no further comment needed.
The 5D3 was nothing special, the 6D2 was in some ways worst than the Mark I, the 7Dmk3 is already forgotten while the 5DsR resolution starts to crap out past 800 ISO.
The leaks coming from Nokishita camera are spot on most of the time, especially 3 days before the release date. I saw enough in this brochure to convince me that Canon is going to release another boring (I didn't say bad) camera that doesn't bring much compared to the previous generation or the one before. I love my 6D and 5D3. Therefore, I'm not convinced to upgrade. If I do, it will probably be with another brand since Canon refuses to innovate. This is just frustrating.
I’m curious what your opinion on the 6D Mk II is based on. I am currently using it for documentary style video and anything photo related. The AF is fantastic (although AF for a lot of video projects should not be used), ISO performance is fantastic, it fits my existing Canon lenses, fast FPS, the ergonomics of the body work for me better than any of the Sony cameras. My opinions and what works best for me is very different than what camera is "better" or "worse". Many reviewers said the 6D Mk II was terrible on paper and then changed what they thought after using the camera. I got the camera for around $1300. In that range it’s one of the best bang for your buck cameras on the market.
Glad you like your 6DII. At $1300 this is a great camera. The initial $2000 price was just too much.
Wow, I though bashing the Z release was bad enough, based on pre-release "first impressions" and specs but this really takes the cake. Crapping all over a camera and company based on a camera that has not even been released yet because of specs that may or may not be 100% accurate. A mirrorless 5d iv would by no means be a shitty camera. But hey, Fstoppers got their click but surely they can raise their standards just a bit.
It won't be a shitty camera, it will just be disappointing compared to the competition. People will take nice images with it but you can also take nice pictures with a 5D3 or a 6D.
Hmm these specs are just 3-4 years behind, with a 2018 pricing, that's the thing with the latest tries from canon and Nikon. It will do the job, but it's still overpriced and both fall short compared to sony.
Let's just bash them all. We even get a new Pany to bash in a few weeks. Then let's bash Fuji and Oly for not making new FF mirrorless cameras that we can bash. None of these cameras are available yet. What's the big deal?
I'm confused. You, and others, are hard on Canon and/or Nikon for not including the best, most recent features but you then write, "at least Canon sticks to the traditional [old, slow, fragile] SD card." Kinda ironic.
Old is not necessary bad, what is bad it to rebranded old tech with an "innovation" tag and premium price (e.g. 6D2). SD cards have been working fine for more than a decade. I don't find them fragile and they are cheap. The UHS bus is more than able to handle the burst rate of this camera or the 480mbps. I think Canon did the right choice (but feel free to disagree).
Either route would have been okay. I just thought it was ironic but then, everyone has their own priorities, reflected in their opinions.
True but at least SD card a cheap. And you are right, this an opinion article.
It doesn't matter what you have anecdotally observed, what matters is the mean time/cycles to failure.
This is an awful article. Nothing is official, the camera system is the sum of its parts not just about the camera body, the lens selection seems to be a strong start which is significant (see nikon’s release lineup) abd for some reason “legendary reliability” is talked about as insignificant. Isn’t producing a robust workhorse that will just work day after day also valuable not just checking off as many boxes as possible?
"Isn’t producing a robust workhorse that will just work day after day also valuable not just checking off as many boxes as possible?"
I totally agree, I love my 6D and 5D3 and they serve me well. Based on the info in this brochure, this new camera won't justify an upgrade. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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