A music photographer renowned for working on London’s club scene has today announced her plans to leave the business, citing misogyny and bullying from her contemporaries.
Amongst other positions, Sarah Ginn is currently the resident photographer for infamous nightclub Fabric, often cited by many in the music industry as one of London’s best. Taking to her Facebook page, Ginn announced that her decision to retire from music photography stemmed from the attitude of her peers — particularly, male musicians she often found herself trying to take pictures of.
Despite her love for all things music photography, Ginn says it’s “not really enough if you get judged on just what you look like.” She largely focuses on shooting underground bass music gigs on London’s diverse night scene, but feels she has been unable to work to the best of her ability as she is simply not respected by those she finds herself working with. "[...] If I am not respected and valued by the people I shoot as an equal I can't make them look amazing, morally it's wrong for my images to be a lie."
Ginn is not packing in photography entirely. She will no longer work in music, but will instead focus her efforts on corporate, production, and events, all of which she already shoots regularly.
Read her statement in its entirety below. See more of her photography — music, and otherwise — on her website.
[via MixMag]
Sorry to hear but someday all of the SJW babies need to get over it and move on.
Think you just proved her point.
Because you want it to.. Everyone has the same opportunity. Sex has nothing to do with the eye behind the camera. Using it as an excuse is just an easy way out.
Her ability was never in question. Her eye was never in question. It's that exact attitude that can make this industry tough to work in. She doesn't get to "get over it" or "move on " There's no "getting over" being a woman. She shouldn't have to. She shouldn't have to deal with advances or questions that do not have anything to do with the industry and her work. End of story.
Not sure I quite agree with you here. Although I think we all can agree that many people face stupid scenarios that make life way harder than necessary, no matter who you are the obstacles are never going to stop. Remove one obstacle and another arises in it's place. And that's not a reason to stop removing obstacles but the "get over it" attitude does make a lot of sense. Because no matter who you are, if you can learn to overcome you'll be stronger and better off. Unfortunately life isn't easy.
Stephen, it's guys like you who need to get over it and move on. The Mad Men days are never coming back. Deal with it.
Mad Men? What are you talking about.. read before posting. As I said.. The 2 sexes are more equal now than ever before. She has the same opportunity as you and I. In fact women have even more these days. Be it men or women there are advances by the opposite sex and even the same. It is part of being a photographer... This is not something that only women have to deal with. The minute a man or a woman starts posting their photography they become visible and when people start to like their photography they become more than interested. Take your feminist beliefs and shove it.. photography is not about sex.. Plenty of women in the industry/hobby would laugh at you two white knights.
She never talked about how people accepted her photography, she talked about how she was treated while shooting in these situations and she was treated by her peers. Did you read this at all or did you just come in here swinging for 'SJW"?
The point is that it would not matter if she was a man or a woman.. We all have had the opposite sex try to take us home after the shoot. This article was to make it seem like women have more of it to deal with. Yes.. I do love swinging for SJW's because they are ruining the world.
I never have? Most male photographers I know haven't been continuously sexually harassed. Where any of the women I work with can list of a lot of times they've been harassed, belittled, and got unwarranted attention because they are women.
It goes a lot further than "someone trying to take them home after the shoot"
Your ideology is a big YIKES!
So is your photography
okay and?
Just because ''YOU'' do not get hit on or asked inappropriate questions by women or men does not mean that other men have not. I have on multiple occasions and it is far worse on social media. I have 7 children and I pray that my girls are strong enough to stand up for themselves because if they have to depend on men like you and the other white knights here.. they are in for trouble. See you gentleman who think you may get laid by acting like this will find out someday that women want a man who can stand next to her and not behind.. When needed she wants his big manly ass to defend her because in the real world men have strengths women do not. Likewise a real man understands that women are built to be strong in other aspects. The sexes are equal.. so is pay so is harassment and everything else we humans deal with on a daily basis. You feminists are a dying breed and the majority of women agree that it is about time we stop acting like pussy cats.
lol Big yikes.
I pray that your children don't follow your rotten ideology, and try to formulate their own.
Stephen I would call you a dinosaur but that would be an insult to dinosaurs.
Whats funny is that you idiots went and down voted my photos because you disagree with my stance. It proves that you are a bunch of bully left wing morons who when they cant get their way have to resort to even worse means. Thankfully you are a small group of losers that lost to the greater American populace and now all you can do is act like babies... Nobody cares.
I didn't vote on your photos. Your views are destructive and it's no more bullying calling you out on that than it is bullying when the cops pull over a drunk driver. You're not a victim here. Deal with the consequences of your choices.
Your photos are nice. I'm glad you're taking pictures of trees and not women.
So you all just did exactly what she was interviewed about lmao.. Way to go. It is always you feminists and libtard morons that resort to such means. Awesome that you just proved my point over and over again.
You're entitled to your opinions but don't be surprised if you're finding them less and less welcome as the rest of us try to be better human beings to one another.
Whenever you're ready, you're welcome to join us in not continuing to do things simply because that's the way they've always been and being open to the possibility accusations about injustice are not just a big conspiracy against white guys.
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Wait ... with ISIS, N. Korea, Darfur Crisis, Human Trafficking, Hurricanes, Wildfires ... you're blaming social justice for the world gone to shit? ... you got priority issues man ...
This seems like you are having an overly emotional reaction to other people's overly emotional reactions so your message is a bit lost on me ...
Social justice is by far the leading problem in my country. ISIS and North Korea will always be a problem. Thankfully social justice warriors like yourselves are becoming extinct. Everyone but the few who cant wait for an article like this are fed up with your constant cries of abuse.. so much so that when something bad actually does happen nobody believes it anymore. All you are doing is making more and more people stand against feminism and sjw logic or lack there of. We have free speech.. if somebody says something you do not like get over it and move on.. Simple logic that you people can not understand. I can say for sure since I am a 20 year veteran of the US Army... That you folks crying about sexism and whatever else will not be fighting to protect freedom.. Because you would not make it a minute. Leave the real fights to the alphas be it male or female. I can get overemotional about anything I like.. though I am not. I have the right to say what I think just like you Timothy... Your passive aggressiveness does not work with me.
You're a male, that shoots landscapes. When you start actively shooting models, or clients besides nature, it can get tricky. Sexism does exist, and has not gone away. Both sexes can be objectified by the other, and it is prevalent in the music industry because of the massive amount of groupies that come back stage. Even if she has a shirt that says "Staff Photographer", there will be dudes groping, and cat calling her. It has happened, and probably will continue to happen until the music industry stops objectifying people as if they were moving sex objects.
You mentioned you hope your daughters are strong enough to stand up for themselves. Good, I hope they are. Just like this lady probably has stood up for herself plenty of times, and has been driven to the point of hating going to work. Tell me, Stephen, if you were harassed constantly on a daily basis by your clients and their lackey about the way your ass looks in jeans and if they can see your cock, would you just keep brushing it off as if it were nothing? Keep telling them to piss off and get that 'asshole' name for yourself? There comes a point where people cannot take the abuse, and this was her breaking point.
I've never tried to take a model or client home after a shoot. Acting like a professional, not a GWC. is my forte. That said, when I modeled I was offered money for sex, drinks and drugs for sex and a whole bunch of nasty shit said to me by MALE photographers.I never did any of it, but there came a tipping point that I quit modeling because of the filthy male photographers out there. You think the stereotype exists for no reason? That 'Guys with Cameras' are not a thing? That rapes and harassment during/after shoots don't happen?
Sexism exists, and photography is a male centric field. But no, she's just some butthurt SJW because she's tired of being treated like less than an equal.
Apparently Stephen could only down vote you, but the cat got his tongue on your reply. ;-)
Apparently not
''You're a male,'' Enough said... What are you going to say next? You're a white male? Ending with the equality crap again when time after time and study after study and statistic after statistic proves that equality has been reached. Men pick on each other constantly and so do women. She wanted attention and what better way than to do an interview about how hard it is for her in a mans world...lol. Only problem is the amount of people in that group is declining due to people getting sick of fake cries of abuse... Be is fat shaming, color of ones skin, sexual preference.. or one of the other 10 million subjects that people like you get butthurt over.
It was only a matter of time before one of you brought up rape... On that I am done with this article and conversation. Your feelings get hurt and you start screaming about rape culture and other idiotic crap.. As a libertarian I completely believe in equality for everyone. The problem is you do not want equality.. you want something much worse. You want PC.
Gotta love how you picked and chose only certain points to respond to without actually addressing my questions to you.
I brought up that you're male because being male, in a male dominated field is not the same as being FEMALE in a male dominated field. Statistics do not mean diddly when they are based on handfuls of data. It does not encompass the multiple variations of any given situation. It's an average of data collected.Whatever...
So, this all boiled down to her wanting attention? Bullshit. You're the type of person to blame a victim for being a victim. I suppose when one of your seven kids, one of your daughters, comes to you and tells you that some boy was sexually harassing her she needs to just deal with it and stop asking for attention? Hopefully your daughters don't get treated the way I and MANY female models have been and you actually act like a decent person.
Don't want to believe me? Check the Model section on ModelMayhem, and you will see the massive amount of comments from models about bad male photographers that have sexually harassed them.
You have no basis for anything but your own shrouded views when I have been put in a situation where I was sexually harassed for being female. But nope, again, just butthurt SJWs right? Because any woman, any person, that speaks out about this sort of shit is butthurt.
Apparently you don't grasp anything anyone has said to you. You throw SJW and PC insults at people because they are giving you cold hard facts. But whatever, think what you want.Stay away from models, and stick to the trees.
Women should be respected in whatever field they work. I don't think quitting helps the cause, but you gotta do what you gotta do I guess. Good luck in the future.
ouch. prepare to get beaten down. 3…..2……1…..
What does it fraking matter?
This just proves what I've been saying all along, Facebook needs to do a better job of formatting post so people can read them.
Most guys get in bands to meet chicks so them flirting with any girl backstage seems their world. If you're a club shooter then you would think the idea was to shoot what goes on which includes the typical rock star stuff. I wouldn't go of safari for lion pics and wonder why they keep trying to kill me. Their world and they won't change it anymore than you would rearrange your house just because I'm visiting.
There's a difference though; you have the ability to control what you say and do. A lion needs to eat, that's it's basic primal instinct. Or, are you suggesting men are just cavemen and only think about where to stick their junk next? I mean, that's kind of a disservice to the male gender to kind of go along the lines of 'boys will be boys', and women should expect to be sexually harassed.
Been across three continents and up got close with wild lions, alligators, nile crocs, red tailed hawks (one was particularly angry that day), wolves and bears and all of them displayed more control over their impulses then you are implying men are able to with thier dicks ...
Rock star mentality is not all men. But yes men are visual creatures and it's in our DNA. Another example: this is a photography site and most of popular pics are cute girls or nudes.
I think the fact that this comments section is a bunch of guys arguing over what a woman should do with her career/asking if she's hot/saying she's just doing it for 15 seconds of fame/saying she's a baby pretty much says it all ...
Believe in free speech? Let her speak. Believe in equality? Listen. Don't agree? At least you heard someone else's story; if they are lying or telling the truth you still have an opportunity to grow from it.
I think being sexually harassed would count toward not being an equal opportunity? Either that or it means equal sexual harassment which is still pretty bad ...
Learning doesn't mean agreeing; it can go either way, learn to spot a liar, learn to spot deception that's still growth.
Learn to listen to a message that opposes what you believe in or what you have experienced, is growth. Even if you don't believe or agree with it after you listen.
Learing to move beyond ego and into things that hurt or are challenging for me or society to deal with, that's growth.
Learn that putting up with harassment for years can ruin a thing you love .. that's growth too
Photography is largely about perception of the world, and perception of the world is largely limited by who we are and what we're able to understand.
Whether it's me in exploring my home country and seeing how differently everyone lives day to day coast to coast or someone like Mary Ellen Mark (who's a much better photographer then I will ever be) embedding herself into a culture that isn't her own trying to learn and understand to properly capture a tiny slice of a life she never had to live ...
It's about perception and as people who are using photography as a tool to capture the planet and the things and people in it; we have a responsibility to understand what we are shooting whether or not we like or agree with it.
Learning means getting stronger, not getting harder; though both require pain and sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Then again, I'm a millenial snowflake so what the f**k do I know.
Timothy, listen for a second.. Think about this for one second before posting something. Maybe she lied maybe she did not. The problem is when a woman or a man is actually abused the general non PC populous starts to look away instead of acting because of the way that PC, SJW's or whatever we call them act before hand. No man or woman I know would stand for a woman being harassed nor would they condone rape...The problem lies with the people who call everything rape everything hate speech.. Everything is not and by acting the way she and some of you on here do... people will not come running when something actually happens.. It is simple really and has been around for a long long time. Never cry wolf when the wolf is not near.. otherwise you will get eaten when he does appear.
oh ya.
Have the comments here always been a cesspool? I hadn’t bothered to notice.
Do you hear that?
How is this misogyny from her peers? She cites the people she's shooting as being the cause of her problem, not her fellow photographers. We as a society put famous people on a pedestal then act shocked that they could be anything but perfect. We have made these people think they are better than us, that their opinions matter more , or that that they can do what they want and guess what?
They often do. These aren't regular people she's dealing with . They are the "entitled" and they treat all people below them as "the lesser" While I am fortunate that I've never experienced discrimination or being treated badly because of my gender , I'm Sure it exists, I wouldn't call this discrimination though, I would call this simply having to deal with assholes.