Brace for impact, the full-frame mirrorless war is coming and Canon is joining the party along with Sony and Nikon. The leaks are getting extremely accurate and an unexpected contender in the person of Panasonic may also join the arena.
The Canon R System
The rumors have been floating around for months but we haven’t got any solid information until yesterday when Nokishita posted what is likely the definitive list of the Canon R gears to be announced on September 5 ahead of the Photokina conference. For those unfamiliar with the leaks business, information reported by Nokishita are usually always spot on. Here are the expected specifications of the Camera:
- 30.3-megapixel full-frame CMOS (same type of sensor as the 30.4 megapixel found on the Canon 5D Mark IV?)
- Dual Pixel CMOS autofocus
- 100 percent vertical x 88 percent horizontal autofocus coverage
- EV -6 low brightness autofocus
- 4K video (crop, log, codec, and bitrate unknown)
- Articulating screen with touchscreen LCD
- Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
- Dustproof and drip-proof
- Magnesium body
- LP-E6N battery
- BG-E 22 battery grip
- Size: Width of about 136 mm × height of about 98 mm
- Weight: Approximately 580 grams (685 grams for the Canon 6D Mark II)
- Mount: inner diameter 54 mm, flange back 20 mm, 12 pin
- Mount adapter: “Mount adapter EF – EOS R,” “Control ring mount adapter EF – EOS R,” and “Drop-in filter mount adapter EF – EOS R"
https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/status/1035701674298368001
This camera will be unveiled with the following RF mount lenses:
- Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro, 305g (0.67lbs), 52mm filter thread
- Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM, 950g (2.09lbs), 77mm filter thread
- Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM, 1430g (3.15lbs), 95mm filter thread
- Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, 700g (1.54lbs), 77mm filter thread
Surprisingly, the 35mm and the 24-105mm lenses appears to come with an image stabilization system (IS) which may indicate the lack of IBIS (in-body image stabilization) on the new Canon R. That would be a major disappointment since both Sony Alpha and Nikon Z cameras are equipped with an advanced five-axis IBIS. Perhaps, Canon will implement some sort of Combination IS system similar to the one found on the M50 or Panasonic Dual IS where the IBIS and the lens work together to improve the stabilization.
Personally, I find the Canon lens selection very attractive in comparison to the Nikon Z (24-70mm f/4 S, 35mm f/1.8 S, and 50mm f/1.8 S, 58mm f/0.95 Noct). Canon matches the 35mm f/1.8 but “beats” Nikon on the zoom lenses with the unique 28-70mm f/2L USM. The slow f/4 zoom lens has a longer reach on the Canon side (24-105mm against 24-70mm for Nikon). That’s being said, it’s too early to tell before reviewing the lenses. The most exciting optic seems to be the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM aimed at the Nikon Z 58mm f/0.95 Noct. Unlike Nikon, the Canon version is slower by two-thirds of a stop but includes an autofocus. This lens should also be much smaller and cheaper than the $6,000 asked by Nikon for its superlative piece of glass.
In terms of video, details are scarce but Canon has a bad history of crippling its camera with extreme crop in 4K video (5D Mark IV), disabled autofocus (M50), or huge and inefficient codec like the 500 Mbps MJPEG found on the 5D Mark IV and the 1D X Mark II.
A Panasonic Full-Frame Camera Coming on September 25?
Meanwhile, 10 years after the introduction of the Micro Four Thirds standard, Panasonic may join the full-frame format and announce a prototype of their new full-frame mirrorless camera on September 25. The company has started a countdown on its website. This is an exciting rumor because Panasonic is extremely aggressive when it comes to innovation and specifications. This company doesn't hold the features and cripple its camera like Canon. Unlike the earlier version of the Sony bodies, Panasonic usually delivers well rounded products free of technical issues. If this camera hits the market, we can expect to find advanced video features such as 6K or 8K video and high frame rate modes. A source mentioned that the “video performance is superb.” However, Panasonic will have to develop full-frame lenses from scratch.
What an exciting year for the photography industry!
A single card in 2018 is unacceptable, if nobody buys it they'll fix it. Simple as that.
All these fantastic new cameras, lens mounts, lenses, etc. and the only thing you have to say is a grumpy opinion about a card slot.
I have never owned a camera with two card slots and i've never had an issue with a card failing in over 10 years.
"A single card"
Source?
If you compare the top "leaked" camera to the bottom two, they are clearly not the same cameras. Look at the knobs and buttons.
Searched the image. The two on the bottom are Sony A7RII and III.
Yes, I saw that. The image doesn't indicate anything about the Canon. This is not the Canon Z camera. Therefore, I'm asking about his source regarding the "single card slot."
Doesn't Nikon make the Z camera anyway?!
Yeah that won't happen. If the idea is to have to buy new native lenses to fully take advantage of a mirrorless body, what's the difference? You're still adapting until you can buy news lenses. I only have one Sony lens so far and the rest are Canon lenses. Although I'm not going to toss my Sony out just to buy Canon again to which I still have to adapt for.
There is a huge difference in using an adapter from a third party to mount a Canon lens to another Sony body. Canon to Canon adapter creates no issues, or none I have ever seen with my M3.
Well it's not out yet to confirm your assumptions. You're also comparing a camera that only shoots 4.2fps and only has 49 focus points. That seems like a lot less information than what a new full frame mirrorless will have to convert. It will be interesting to see how Nikon and Canon adaptors handle their older glass when people get to put them through the gauntlet. No matter what, people will adapt "No pun intended"
It's going to cost more to convert back to canon and their new lens mount than it would be to slowly move over to Sony native glass.
Sony user with old canon lenses here. No plans to flush my 42mp camera with nearly flawless eye-tracking AF and in-body stabilization down the drain anytime soon.
There's no such thing as a 100% flawless AF system out there.
"M" on the 35 is for macro
Perhaps but that would be surprising to see such a specialized Macro lens at launch. Macro lenses usually have longer focal (50mm or more in 35mm equiv).
You were right
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-rf-lens-specifications/
That fully articulating screen is a big deal for a lot of youtube/influencers.
It's a big deal for me, because I rarely use it unless doing tripod work. I have less anxiety when the screen is closed. One less thing to scratch, break or bump.
Yes, I really prefer the articulating screen instead of the Sony/Nikon tilt screen. If Canon doesn't cripple this camera with weird codecs, crop and disabled AF it will be a hit for many vloggers.
Oddly enough, the Nikon D5xxx series have this type screen, and is also fairly video friendly as well.
Canon and Nikon are both being very guarded in their initial full frame mirrorless offerings. Obviously they don't want to rock their DSLR boats too much. Make no mistake tho, once these two start getting serious with this format, it will be Ford vs Chevy, and the only thing people will remember Sony for is the Walkman...
At least they have their best up front. A 24-70 f2? Most people super glue the ef 2.8 lens to the body. 50mm 1.2? How long have people been asking for the ef 1.2 50 to be updated?
Wow, I haven't been a Canon shooter since my days with a T2i, I like their cameras for many reasons, but am always much more pleased with Sony / Nikon / Fuji.
But two things here are super impressive / unprecedented.
-6 EV autofocus. Has anyone ever made a camera capable of that? Even if so, it's damn impressive.
A 28-70 f/2 lens! That's the fastest (full frame) zoom lens with such a range ever made. Sigma has the 24-35 f/2, but no one has ever made an f/2 lens that covers 42mm of travel. The fact that it appears relatively compact is even more amazing.
Kind of think they stumbled by releasing the 50mm 1.2 as their first and only 50. The others (35 1.8, 24-105 4, 28-70 2) are a fantastic start up, but that 50 1.2 is going to be unnecessary and expensive for most people. Would've preferred to see a 1.4 or 1.8 there to start with and a 1.2 down the road.
I won't lie - I've held off a total switch to mirrorless (currently shoot mostly Nikon) until Nikon released theirs, and while I was very pleased overall with the Z6/7, despite some drawbacks, this Canon is very appealing too. And now Panasonic will have an offering soon.
Can't wait to see how these all perform, it's going to mean decisions, decisions, decisions.
Somebody over at Nikon Rumors posted this, makes sense because the best DSLR AFs are -4 EV, and mirrorless haven't come near that, yet:
"been reading around...that -6 figure because canon uses a Dual Pixel AF. hence its multiplying the sensitivity of TWO pixels. in other words to compare it with other non DPAF take the square root of -6....which is -2.4 EV. suddenly not that stellar..."
In the end that -6 EV is just marketing
in small print it says that it's available only at f/1.2
There is some inconsistency in the specs - Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM, 950g, almost twice as much as the current Canon 50mm f/1.2 L USM that weighs only 590g.
Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM weighs 700g, about the same as Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM.
Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM, 1430g, weighs almost twice more than Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens.
Lenses for mirrorless ares supposed to be lighter, not twice heavier for the same parameters.
It probably depends of the optical formula and quality. The Canon EF 50mm f1.4 is small and light but the Sigma Art 50mm f1.4 is much bigger.
at 28-70, the range is a non starter. It may be f/2, but that range is just too narrow. Size/weight concerns aside, no IS kills it, specially with a camera lacking IBIS.
As for the others, let's see the optical results. The Nikon FTM charts look really strong on those 1.8 primes so I wouldn't write them out. The 50 1.2 with AF seems interesting, although again let's see the price and image quality wide open. There is also the lack of "wow" factor for a lens Nikon has already road mapped and it is "just 1.2" which is no longer any kind of special thing Nikon cannot do.
overall however the camera itself seems pretty dull considering all the hype and how it was supposed to kill everybody. 5fps with AF, 3fps with AF tracking priority and 2fps with DPRAW. Maybe it is all those AF points! but that's sub 5D4 level of AF.
Lastly what's going to happen with EF-M? cannot mount R lenses, and if canon releases a 7D for mirrorless, will it use the M mount and thus not ever be able to put on those R lenses, or will it release on the R mount and not be able to mount the EF-M glass. Seems canon blew it. blew it beyond expectations. 3 mounts to support. That's going to spread their lens department thinner than ever.