In the last week we've heard a lot about the latest camera unveiled by Canon. As great as these cameras are on paper, Canon has confirmed that they may have issues with overheating after a certain amount of use. Unfortunately, this is not just a problem that Canon cameras are suffering from, Fujifilm is also having problems with overheating too.
In a recent video from Tony and Chelsea Northrup, they perform a detailed on the Fujifilm X-T4. For the most part, the Northrups describe the camera in a positive light, however, they do point out one potentially major problem, and that is the overheating. When filming in 4K, it seems that this camera does overheat. Northrup also discusses the amount of time it takes for the camera to overheat and in what kind of conditions, which could be useful for those that own the system already.
This is disappointing but also rather strange to me. I own the X-T3 and use it for a lot of our videos. I absolutely love the camera for a number of a reasons and I've never experienced any kind of overheating with it. I've regularly shot long clips with the camera and even after hours of use, the camera has absolutely no problem. The latest camera offers very similar video specifications to the older model, yet seems to overheat quite quickly.
The problem could be due to the addition of IBIS in the latest model, although I should mention this is complete speculation on my part. In my view, if video is a major reason for buying one of the Fujifilm cameras, I would recommend the X-T3 for now as that is far more stable than what the X-T4 seems to be.
Check out the full video linked above to see how the camera performs.
It’s actually a huge number of creatives that want small cameras with great video features. Whole industries have developed on the back of this demand. Just look at the gimbal market as an example. There are lots of brilliant gimbals for mirrorless cameras.
Then they should make one for the video creatives and one for stills. This market is getting a little out of focus. Do you need a car? Yes. Great, we have this giant bus to sell you.
They did. X-T3 for stills, X-T4 for video.
Back then there was X-H1 focused on video, but with X-T3 and X-T4 they made it more capable for video than X-T2
So, the X-H1 is a video focused camera compared to the X-T2, but the X-T4 is not when compared to the X-T3? Same sensor, adds IBIS and a cine film simulation. What's the difference?
Yes however, Fujirumors continuously claims the X-H line isn't dead.
Again, wrong tool or wrong usage.
If you are really so much entitled to video, you pick a videocam, not a photocam.
If you consider making a video is the same job as making a still picture, you are already full wrong, even if you are using some common principle and mechanics. But dude, we are still asking photocameras to act like pro cinecameras, go figure !
DSLR and mirrorless cameras are far more convenient from an overall perspective. Also, video features in these types of cameras are here to stay. It makes little sense and would actually cost more to produce a camera without video features now. I vaguely recall an interview with a manufacturer that discussed this point too.
Also, the argument of if you want video features go buy a videocam make little senses because I did, I bought the X-T3, it's literally a video camera along with being a stills camera.
Video to stay, well, that's fine. Keeping the level of video to 8K for youtube stuff, that's useless for probably 99% of users. Imposing it and deal with heat issues becomes laughable and ridiculous. Look at Canon, 20mp for stills with the R6 if you don't care about 8k, that's the only option for a still camera. The only good thing is for you where people who want to shoot only stills with 45mp have to pay for 8k technology... for you. We get your argument it's convenient for you. Are you saying that we would need a $600 drive to store stills? I don't think so. No it would be cheaper to not have 8k for still photography far from what you wrote.
BTW, I do hope you will clearly explain why the R6 doesn't feature 8K. If it's cheaper to manufacture than no video or a lower max level of recording, why no 8K?
Sony kind of lit a fire under everyone to shorten upgrade cycles and push specs like smartphones that were improving year over year. I think we're seeing a plateau for the form factor as it is. Computing power and power efficiency just isn't there to deliver these video specs without a severely curtailed record limit.
There's actually a good reason why the R6 doesn't offer 8K, Benoit. That format requires a resolution of about 34MP minimum—but that's with a 16:9 aspect ratio. If you increase the height of the sensor to get to a 3:2 ratio for images, that puts you in the mid-40MPs for your required sensor resolution.
Possible, I have no clue, I really don't need video and as a user, I have no interest into studying the technical manufacturing limitations. Sounds like I should conclude that contrary to the 5D and 6D, the sensors of R5 and R6 were designed to fit two video markets not stills. Earlier this year, I thought about buying an R5, but that before I learned all of this. Now I'm definitely holding any purchase. I could actually go with another brand in the future. Not worried about over heating, so Fuji could be an option.
I said nothing about 8k or that I need 8k for YouTube. In fact in several articles I said I won't be shooting 8k. Where are you getting this from?
Also, the R6 doesn't have 8K because it's only a 20mp sensor, it literally doesn't have the resolution for 8K.
I feel like you've confused me with someone else.
That's misleading. You wrote that video in DSLR and mirror less systems is here to stay and it would cost more to not have it. Now you say, I have nothing to do with 8k, you won't use it and I'm confused. What am I supposed to understand? that as a video user you don't support 8k in still cameras when clearly this is the path manufacturers are taking?
Stop saying it cost more to manufacture a still camera without video, it's absolutely ridiculous. Just the fact that they need bigger cards and can't figure out what type of card to sick with for video shows that they have to get out of their way to make it work for video. So the additional cost is not due to taking stills. Stop falling for what they want to feed you.
Also, saying I don't want 8K doesn't mean I'm against video features in camera, how does that make sense? It's like if I told you I don't need a 150mp, and you turn around and say oh well you must be against stills features.
How are you coming to these completely out there conclusions?
Canon 5Ds, 5DsR, Canon Ra. I hope you are kidding when you say they can't justify expanding their models variations due to manufacturing and distribution cost. Even the 6D were a variation of 5D models. Try something else.
I never said most of what you claim I'm saying or even implied any of it. You're completely making up stuff and then telling me I said those things. I can't continue discussing anything with you.
Well, that's interesting! lol
What was the point of your link? What did I make up, please elaborate.
The link was in response to this and only this statement you made.
"Stop saying it cost more to manufacture a still camera without video, it's absolutely ridiculous"
The link is really about an opinion from the writer. No number, no hard evidence backing up his text regarding skipping the video. The thing is, I wouldn't expect a manufacturer to help by providing true data, numbers or share strategies and development process. It would be a little innocent to assume they would share their numbers, the real cost... That's why I wrote ridiculous, simply because it's not realistic to expect knowing those numbers and strategies. The only numbers we, as photographers should be concerned with are what they charge us and what we get for that amount in order to make a purchase decision. Personally, I could replace my lenses and cameras tomorrow for 2 R5 and depreciate it all over a few years, but I don't feel that right now Canon's focus is very clear. I see more weird precipitations and signs that the still photography is starting to no longer be of interest at Canon. So no new investment for now, and changing brand is definitely considered as an option in the next couple years if the trend doesn't change. May be Fuji medium format.
Right but that article goes into some detail explaining why this is the case. It's difficult to explain things in detail through comments.
The way I'd look at it is if it were financially feasible to produce a cheaper full-frame camera because it doesn't have video features, manufacturers like Canon would have done it already. Think about cameras like the EOS RP. In order to keep the cost low for that camera they removed a lot of features except video. I mean it has a worse battery than the older 6D Mark II but they improved the video features and it's still less expensive than the 6D II.
In essence, video features did not impact the price in any significant way.
I'm totally open to integrated lower end, 5 year old video features. I have plenty enough cameras that came with videos that I know I have never used for any recording. Now Canon wants me to get 8k if I want to switch and shoot with a 45mp mirrorless. It feels more like the opposite of what you wrote, force it on everyone to make it a successful product. My opinion of course.
Usman, I see the new Z5 from Nikon. It's a downgrade from the Z6 but visibly seem to be an extremely affordable tool for probably 90% of videos and for the price, you can buy the camera and half a top lens compared to the R6. So yes, they do price and change things as will because they really can, and very obviously, they will. It's a myth to say they can't and too many people get convinced just by reading it. I think Canon goofed with a R6 that's in my opinion pretty much DOA now if you look at price vs real needs. Nikon would be smart to put something out like the R5 at around $3k and grab the D to R clientele that Canon was hoping to take from Sony.
You can't really compare the cost of a camera from one brand vs another and use that as a way to determine why and how they price things. You can compare the Z 5 to the Z 6 and then make some assumptions.
As a client, I have full power to compare.
Fair point but completely different context from what we're discussing.
I remember once a web designer told me emphatically, "No one wants to watch video in HD."
No one is asking for or expecting RED or Arri results from a hybrid shooter.
Think of it this way, the manufacturers producing these products obviously have some numbers to determine what the market wants. These companies are putting a lot of money behind video features. This wouldn't continue if a strong enough demand wasn't there.
Why would anyone get an X-T4 for stills when the X-T3 has the same sensor, tilt-LCD, and is cheaper? Clearly, it's meant to satisfy hybrid shooters - IBIS, larger battery and flippy screen are directly aimed at video shooters.
IBIS can be *very* useful for stills, depending on what you shoot. For example, the XF90 creates beautiful images but it can be a challenge to use indoors without getting blurred images from camera shake. IBIS solves that problem.
If only xt3 has ibis. I have come to realization that ibis could help capturing 10-20% of my shots easier (I can definitely manage without it, but ibis makes it easier).
I agree, for non-stabilized lenses I love the IBIS in my Sony.
I think the question isn't really even whether people will actually use the video features. It's whether the video features will sell more cameras. The answer seems to be a clear "yes". And video is an area where there continues to be room for improvement—far more so than stills.
Personally, I use my X-T3 for stills 95% of the time but it's really convenient to have high-quality video capabilities for the occasions when I do need it. I don't doubt that, as video gets easier in terms of AF and stabilization, I will use it more often.
i tend to disregard most of what these 2 say. specially cause they're famous for hating on gear to boost their videos.
Filmed in the peruvian amazon jungle with crazy intense heat with the t4. always 4k. had zero problems.
If I may ask, how has your experience with the XT-4 been so far?
And 110% agree with you about the Northrups, they are not to be trusted.
i usually use it for pictures but this was a 1 week project for an Eco Lodge. the footage is yet to be edited due to covid19 as we had to leave the jungle because of it. so it's unfinished business and at some point i'll have to return. But during that week, the t4 worked good. filmed mostly 4k 30p h265. super happy with the results. filmed most with a gimball and some parts handheld.
honestly, it stood up to what was needed.
used mostly 18-55mm, 10-24 and 35 1.4 for the lodge and the 55-200mm for wildlife.
Great to hear your experience and use-case scenario for it! I've always admired their cameras, but I've moved to FF and, so far, haven't looked back, but still good to see the APS-C sensors doing well!
---"they're famous for hating on gear to boost their videos."
Unlikely. I think it's more about the fanboys that just can't handle the truth. All they want to hear are the good and not the accompanying bad.
I trust their opinions more than I trust the ambassadors.
Trust them more than ambassadors, of course.
Still as youtubers they have loads of biais
I think it's more their opinions. They speak freely since they are not bound. Hell, even they don't agree with each other sometimes. That just goes go show there are no team orders.
The comment is a bit naive. Apparently, for this test they used a card that was not on Fuji's list of recommended cards. This may have contributed to the issue. Regardless, take their views with a grain of salt.
Just for you, Tundrus, I repeated the overheating test with matching Sony cards from the official list. It overheated in about 15 minutes, which is pretty much the same as before (there's a little more of a breeze today). I don't have any reason to think SD cards would cause problems; I think Fuji just provides the list of SD cards that they do compatibility testing with. SD cards are a standard so they should be pretty universal. BTW the card I held up in the video (people really latched on to that, BTW) wasn't used in the tests I cited because it failed. I didn't make note of the exact cards but looking at the cards I might have used, they were all either Sandisk Extreme Pro or Sony, which are on the official list.
Hopefully this clarification and additional testing addresses your concern.
Since you didn't watch the video, what's naive is to base your assumptions on angry fanboys' comments.
At any rate, looks like he used SanDisk and PNY cards. The question is which one he used during the overheating test. And, whether or not it contributes overheating.
Recommended cards are for reliability in speed and writing, not thermal issues. At worst, the camera will lock you out of recording modes, or corrupt data.
The Northrups got everything wrong when Canikon announced their MILC gear. The Canon R got only praises, while the Nikon Z was trashed and mocked... This period was the worse one and ridiculous. And obviously, it was only due to the estimated price and quantity of alcohol of the sponsored trip that made them happy or not. And afterwards, they had to stick to their inital talk... What a pity !
And almost all "influencers" on youtube are acting like the Northrups : just making bold assertions to bait clicks ! They could be right, they could be wrong, it is just a pain to listen and watch as it is generally only a lousy personnal opinion or preference presented as a cataclysm or a bless.
But hey, it seems to work for them, they make money on viewers, fine for them, but don't count on me to click on that useless link.
---"The Canon R got only praises, while the Nikon Z was trashed and mocked"
I see you primarily shoot Nikon.
---"but don't count on me to click on that useless link."
I also see you shoot Fuji.
I've only shot Sony since 2012. And, trust me, we've gotten our share of beatings. Some justifiable, some nit-picky just to rub it in. Anything that comes out of anyone's mouth, you just have take it with a grain of salt and not take it so personal.
Nicolas, you should go back and watch the Canon EOS R review we recorded in Hawaii. We had many problems with the camera, and we freely spoke about them. We recommended it for some niche purposes, but recommended most users stay with Canon DSLRs, which is the same recommendation we gave for the Nikon Z cameras. FWIW, Nikon's press trip for the Z6 and Z7 (to Florida) was quite a bit nicer than the Canon trip, and we attended that, too. Hopefully this addresses your concern that attending a working press trip, or conversely not attending a trip, has caused us to create a biased review.
the truth is i used it with no problems in 4k 30p h265 for a full week in the amazon jungle.
now if you'd rather believe Tony and Chelsea, that's ok. no problem. not trying to raise an argument, just sharing my experience here.