A few weeks ago, I started drafting a list of everything that Sony needs to fix on the a7 III. Then suddenly, in a move that caught everyone off guard, Sony announced the a7R IV. Have many elements on my list been resolved by this new generation of camera, or has the rush for an insane number of megapixels meant that certain details are being ignored?
Having bought my a7 III in December last year, it’s been something of a revelation, and the move to mirrorless (though with a few drawbacks) has made a difference in my work. However, the a7 III is certainly not a perfect camera, and there is plenty of room for improvement. With the a7R IV, Sony has made some changes, but in its desire to take the camera industry by surprise with claims of medium format quality, has the manufacturer forgotten to address certain aspects and forgone upgrades that many were expecting?
Speaking to a lot of Sony shooters — admittedly mostly a7 III shooters rather than a7R III shooters — megapixels have not been mentioned. While some are welcoming the 19 extra megapixels that Sony has managed to pluck from out of nowhere through some dark wizardry that’s been implemented into a completely new sensor, no one I spoke to said “I wish it had a higher resolution.” Perhaps, then, there are other reasons that Sony has suddenly dropped this bombshell (as will be discussed later), or maybe it’s a case of another camera manufacturer giving the market something it didn’t know it wanted.
Certain elements have been addressed: the autofocus box is no longer a color so drab and so hard to spot that it might well have been wearing a ghillie suit. The entire camera is slightly larger, and those who’ve been lucky enough to wield it have reported that it sits slightly better in the hand, especially thanks to its slightly deeper grip. There is a pair of UHS-II cards which perhaps should have been XQD, but at least the old UHS-I slot will no longer undermine the UHS-II slot. And the ports seem to have been reshuffled, meaning that the USB port may no longer be on a par with Joyce’s Ulysses in terms of accessibility.
In asking a7 III users what they’d like to see in the a7 IV, you’d expect to see a huge amount of overlap with what Sony users want to see in the a7R IV. A few are minor: from my straw polls, people want to be able to change drive modes more easily and would prefer not to have to wait for the buffer to empty first. We want a mechanical shutter that closes while we’re changing lenses so that the sensor is easier to keep free of dust. We want a lens release button that’s not on the wrong side (I think that ship has sailed), built-in ND filters, and improved IBIS. It remains to be seen whether any of these aspects have been addressed, but it’s worth noting that none of them has been mentioned.
Some things are already certain. A familiar refrain from users of third-generation Sony a7 shooters is the lack of a functional touchscreen. The first DSLR to boast a touchscreen was the Canon EOS Rebel T4i, and that was released in 2012. Given that many owners were looking forward to a bigger rear LCD with twice the resolution, there will no doubt be some disappointment that Sony has not offered any sort of upgrade, especially when other mirrorless manufacturers are demonstrating how it’s done. Furthermore, the screen still doesn’t fully articulate. Admittedly, this is a camera designed more for still shooters rather than videographers, but this does not bode well for those waiting for the a7 IV, not to mention the long-awaited, much-anticipated, and arguably overdue a7S III. If the a7R IV doesn’t have a funky flippy screen, those waiting for Sony’s other forthcoming releases might want to brace themselves for some bad news.
The fact that the menu system doesn’t seem to have been addressed is a massive disappointment. As detailed in this article, the menu has long been an afterthought in Sony’s R&D departments, cobbled together by a jaded intern who, after a night on the town, managed to grab a quick coffee with a stressed technician before designing something that’s just about comprehensible but sits a country mile from acceptable. Refinement of user experience is an alien concept among Japanese camera manufacturers, preferring to leave it to their European counterparts. I’d be happy to have a whip-round and see if we can treat a handful of folk from Sony/Nikon/Canon to a trip to Germany and Denmark so they can see how it’s done.
Some of the comments in this aforementioned article suggested that photographers would be happy using a computer that has nothing more than MS-DOS command prompt rather than the GUI that modern operating systems offer. Usability is not a concern for many customers. By contrast, if I'm spending thousands of dollars on a tool, I want it to feel refined, especially as I’m using it to achieve something creative. My camera is not a photocopier (and now that I think about it, photocopiers have touch screens and menu systems that make sense).
Quite why user interface is so absent from anyone’s radar in Sony is a mystery, and I’m asking anyone who has their hands anywhere near an a7R IV to do one quick test for me. Bring up the histogram and then change the ISO. If the histogram disappears, to me, it’s another nugget of proof that Sony has been in a hurry to get this camera to market. Refinement is one thing; fixing elements of basic functionality is something else.
So, why are megapixels more important than refinement? Why has Sony made this announcement now, when the a7S III, the a7000 (a.k.a. the a6700), and the entry-level full-frame camera (a5?) are still waiting in the wings? I have a few theories.
The first is simply because it can. Sometimes, it feels that Sony is a giant corporation that makes sensors and that its cameras are almost a byproduct. If it can undermine other camera manufacturers by releasing a product that blows theirs out of the water (while overlooking so many other aspects), then why not? Four years on, it’s still not clear whether Canon will be able to match the performance of the sensor in the a9. Imagine what the a9 II might be about to offer.
A second option is that Sony has caught a scent of what Canon and Nikon have been cooking and has moved quickly to undermine them. If Canon was brewing up a 50-megapixel beast that was about to go head-to-head with the a7R III, why not fart out a 61-megapixel camera simply to screw with them? Why do product cycles have to climax in dramatic events that Canon and Nikon have decided should take place once every three to four years? Maybe incremental improvements are Sony's next move in claiming market dominance.
Thirdly, the pricing of the a7R IV is a little ridiculous. It might not exactly be all of the “medium format quality” that Sony’s marketing department would like us to believe, but it’s certainly pushing the envelope. The pressure on Canon and Nikon to price their forthcoming high-resolution mirrorless cameras aggressively is now even greater. Certainly, the model of loss-leading with the bodies and creaming a profit from the lenses is one that Sony seems to be embracing wholeheartedly.
The other aspect of this aggressive pricing is the impact it will have on the price of the a7R III. As it stands, B&H Photo has it listed at just shy of $2,500. Arguably, its main DSLR competitors are the Nikon D850 and the Canon 5DS which are currently selling at $2,996 and $3,499, respectively, while the Nikon Z 7 sits at $3,396. If those are your choices right now, Sony is coming for you.
There might be a handful of other good reasons as to why Sony is pushing out a camera that doesn't feel like an upgrade beyond one significant headline. If you'd like to offer your thoughts, be sure to leave them below in the comments.
Fujifilm 50megapixel: $3999.
I am rather happy with my Rm3. I would like better afs, color on focus point and fast wifi teathering. Besides that I have set up my camera and are happy with menus, and all are good. So m3 fits for me, most likely. Even I do not crave more megapixel. What I do find really bad is that there is no firmware ugrade for color on focus point on m3. That's a discrace.
First they fixed the battery life problem, then the AF, adapted lenses, widened the pro glass, improved the touch functionality (although it’s still not all touch enabled), gave people a deeper grip to combat the ergonomics argument, gave firmware updates to all existing bodies instead of selling bodies alone...
This seems like an article written in denial after we all learned Canon still doesn’t have a pro body to release this year.
At least it didn't take them 80+ years. You'd think they'd (main competitors) be untouchable. Sony be like, "Hold my beer."
You act like it's going to be raining beer. Well, maybe around you.
And, what do you care about weather sealing anyways, hermits like you don't go outside.
Hey, psssst, Canon has abandoned you and you should do the same.
Meanwhile Canon is still doing jackshit.
Jan you comment more about Sony than anyone else.
You’re quite honestly the poster child of who they want. You know the specs, you spout off about all the flaws by simply not liking new technology, and you consistently make their SEO higher by typing their name repeatedly in all your responses,
I’m beginning to think you’re a paid actor ...or just the old man down the street everyone is scared to talk to because he gets angry when you say the “S” word.
You can’t hide from your previous comments Jan, you must forget there’s history on your account... please spare us your all your bs.
This isn’t the first or second time I’ve called you out on this same thing.
SEO is something any professional should know today so I suggest you google that one.
Capture One makes a specific program for Sony cameras so that is a yes.
Sony has a touchscreen for focus points only. You know this as you’ve commented before about it.
Don’t act stupid or forgetful. You commented some more bs on Tony’s comment just two hours ago.
Jan Kruize Have you ever read your own reactions critically because your biassed against Sony in an almost childish and pathetic manner.
Out of curiosity, did Nikon do much against dust and moisture in their first two generations of cameras? I don't recall the Nikon F and F2 being moisture resistant. :P
As a Sony A7III owner, there's very few things I would like to see upgraded. I would say the main thing would be the rear screen. I was used to a more higher res one on Canon that had full touch capabilities so this current screen is a bit of a downgrade.
I wouldn't mind a higher res EVF too, although I have no issues with the current one.
I can honestly say along with minor things like cheap paint, AF point color and no charger included, this camera was near perfect for me.
One thing I do hope for is another 4 years before release like the A7II/A7III as I personally don't like the every 2 years release cycle the A7R series has
I'm lucky enough to be one of the few people with an a7R III and IV and it's definitely a substantial upgrade. For us, the grip and buttons and dials really improve the overall experience. The lack of weather sealing was a deal-breaker for a lot of people who can now move over to Sony. The focusing is overall improved. It has two UHS-II card slots, and while buffering is still a problem, it's less of a problem when you're writing raw to both slots. The EVF looks much better. The EC dial won't move on its own anymore.
The 60 MP? It's fine. We're pixel-peepers and I'm not sure we really care about it. But it's a little better.
I still haven't gotten the 240 megapixel pixel shift to work like it should. I might need to move someplace less shakey than Earth.
Yeah, the UI still SUCKS. It sucks. But over time you configure your custom keys and custom menus and Fn menu and such and eventually do what you need to do. The WiFi app still sucks, but that sucks for all the camera makers.
Thanks Tony! Sate my curiosity - does the histogram disappear when you change the ISO?
Mine stays but you have to set it up to do so. Simple custom control adjustment.
Why should Sony be ashamed when even you are proud to sport a Sony on your profile pic on a modeling site you stalk.
https://modelzone.nl/user/Jankruize?language_id=1
No 10-bit video even with external recorder is disappointing. No flip out screen. No color parade.
Panasonic is still the video King....
These cameras take 3 years to develop to give you an idea of timeline....
This isn’t a camera aimed at the video market, it simply has video included.
Nobody buys a 61mp stills focused camera and complains about video recording capabilities.
Come on now, lets get the terminology correct... Its called a "flippy screen" for being technically correct, or "flippy thingy" as the casual term.
My pinky dangles off my a7RII, a7RIII and a7III. It doesn't dangle off my Panasonic GX8, which has exactly the same shoulder height. You see, Panasonic had the good sense to put the front dial around the shutter button where not only is it easier to access but it also doesn't crowd the four fingers on the grip. This is really, really basic stuff.
It's an engineering marvel and apparently it's still not good enough for you to capture decent images with.
People are never happy.
There's engineering, and there's design. That's kinda the point of the article. Sony's engineering is impressive. Its design, not so much.
The thing is, design is easier to fix than engineering. There isn't any materials science challenged involved with making your camera grip better. It costs just as much to make an ugly camera as an attractive one. Does this influence IQ? No, but why not improve this stuff anyway?
Design is technically easier to fix than engineering. Politically, not always. Engineering flaws kind of present themelves: this thing ain't workin' right. Design is, in a large sense, a matter of opinion. Which makes it much more difficult to be accepted as a flaw in your next camera, having done it the same way in the previous 3+.
They got to most of my requests. I stopped caring about the menus when they allowed custom menus.
IBIS has been improved
I wanted 2 UHSII slots.
I didn't want more pixels but I could see using them in aps-c mode (more reach without lugging around longer lenses)
I wanted a deeper grip
I wanted better water sealing
You can now playback with 100 image jumps (wanted that)
Didn't care too much but might enjoy
higher res viewfinder
better af tracking
bigger buffer
Glad that it's roughly the same price I am used to paying with quite a large raft of refinements.
Bummed--
have to buy a new grip
Andy Day I completely agree with what your saying, as I did with the last article you posted on this matter.
The only analogy I can think of is standing next to an iPhone
User and saying I'm happy with my Nokia 6210 because it
Takes amazing photos.
What you pointed out needs addressing, because they can do it,
Sony has a mobile division, tap them up for their U.I experience.
A quick list of what I feel is needed:
Revamped U.I.
High quality rear screen with a flip system like Fuji.
Fully touch capable rear screen for U.I navigation.
Slightly larger body for more clearance from the lens.
Shutter closed when switched off.
It's not alot to ask for really,
It's really not alot to ask.
In the comments though, people are right in saying that
We need to vote with our wallet's.
Keep on pounding this message out Andy as hopefully
The complaints will get louder.
Side note: I once put an SD card in my Fuji X100f and
I forgot to format it, it still had a load of images from
Sony A7III and the images looked 10 x better on the
Fuji's back screen, how messed up is that! 😅
So, I'm curious. Your Fuji X100f is able to read Sony raw (.ARW) files?
Do you make your final image decision on the camera back screen or on a computer?
Remind us again what's the battery life on this Fuji? Yeah, it's pretty shitty. About 270 shots? But, hey, so long as you can view your pix like on a phone, more power to you. lol
It was probably reading JPEGs. He probably shot RAW+JPEG or maybe just JPEG. I don't think it could read ARW files.
(and the X100F does have a *slightly* higher res LCD than the a7III but not by much - can't imagine it would make much of a difference)
Matt Williams was correct!, up until recently I only shot jpegs. Final image decisions is on the computer, and the battery life is terrible with the FUJI, but I have a couple of extra 3rd party batteries that will see me through the day. I must say, I do have a lot more fun with the Fuji X100F and I enjoy the rangefinder style Body, it is an excellent second body to the Sony!.