If you are into studio lighting at all you have probably heard about the D1 Monolight by Profoto. These lights are known for their size, flash consistency, and of course the wireless Air Remote system. In this video I'll take you through each of my favorite and least favorite features of this flash. If you are on the fence you may want to try renting these lights first.
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Great strobes. We're using the D1 along with their XL umbrella in our studio. Never had a complaint. The diffuser glass on the strobe is the first I've seen, really takes away that harsh light that other, unfiltered flash tubes give off.
i love my d1's profoto did a feature on a new series i'm shooting with them!http://www.profoto.com/blog/portrait-photography-2/the-many-faces-of-jua...
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What is wrong with the Einstein E640 ??? you can get 3 of them for the price of the profoto.
Rental houses don't carry a lot of AB stuff, Modifier attachment isn't as elegant.
I have to agree with Alberto and many others here. Sure the rental houses don't have AB modifiers but you can practically buy the entire Paul C. Buff modifier catalog for the price of one Profoto softbox.
Einstein + Vagabond Mini + Large Foldable Octabox + Pocket Wizard FlexTT5 + AC3 + PowerMC2 is the ultimate wedding lighting solution and all the above components add up to just $1300 MSRP. We're talking about a complete lighting system for less than the cost of just one BMW head!
With the PCB/PW system, almost every con listed by Lee is negated and the additional pros include battery portability, money in the pocket, bare bulb capability, shorter flash durations, excellent color stability, wide power adjustment range (640ws max), better customer service, inexpensive repairs, lighter weight, etc, etc, etc.
As a working wedding photographer, I've never had a client take interest in what brand my lights are. They simply want to have a great day and great photos to remember it. It seems like the Profoto gear is better suited for inflating photographer's egos than improving their photos, customer experience, or bottom line.
Are the output & quality of light different from the pack systems with modifiers like the beauty dish & hardbox?
I have a D4 pack as well but I haven't done enough comparisons yet to feel comfortable commenting on this yet.
Rental houses don't carry a lot of AB stuff, Modifier attachment isn't as elegant.
One more issue : no bare bulb. In a softbox, it sucks. It's like a big powerful speedlight.
Exactly!
I should have touched on this. Yes it isn't as wide of a throw but it is still extremely wide, almost 180 degrees
This is a perfect review. It touched all very good points that most of us overlook when buying a new piece of equipment. I bought Elinchrom and they work for me but I really don't like that my Style RX600 don't have a protector for the light bulb which is very expensive to replace. I love Fstoppers. Best website ever. :)
Thanks Lee for detail review.
I'd love to see how these compare to something really cheap like alienbees or white lightning.
Obviously these are the BMW of lights. You are paying for a few luxuries that nobody has to have but many may want. When you really think about the basics (it's just a flash) you are not going to have a massive difference in image quality compared to cheaper lights. Yes the Profoto may be slightly more consistent, reliable, brighter, and have a few more options for modifiers but it's possible to take almost the exact same image with a cheaper strobe just like it may be possible to take the exact same image with a cheaper camera or cheaper lens.
All I know is that since I've been using these at weddings, they have made my life much easier and they have never not fired.
Reliability is king in this industry.
I'm pretty sure using a beauty dish is ok with these but would want to use a C-Stand (vs reg stands) and some sandbags for stand and counter weight for boom.
Profoto gear is good when you have the budget but they and all the others still can't beat an Einstein head for it's amazing short flash duration for freezing movement especially liquid, Paul Buff came from behind and then passed the all big names.
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I would recommend people check what they need before they do get the 1000 watt version - that could be serious overkill in a small studio and lead to more problems than it would solve.
And the lack of an "auto dump" feature seems really quite a glaring omission from such a high end flash...
The D1000 does have an auto dump.
The dump takes longer when you go from high power, say 10 down to 5. This takes about 5 seconds for the beep to sound to indicate the dump has completed (most people don't wait for the beep). Powering down from 7 to 6 is about 1 sec.
I agree with this. Don't just buy the highest power ones you can buy "just in case" or "to be safe".
The 1000 models don't go as low as the 500 and 250.
I bought a pair of Elinchrom BXRi 500 lights and even on the lowest setting I have to shoot at f/11 or higher in the studio at my normal subject-to-light distance using elinchroms Portalite softboxes (only one diffusor, could probably go a stop wider with the Rotalux ones)
In fact, the 250w/s Profotos should be enough for most people indoors and they also let you shoot at f/2.8, which the 500 and 1000's doesn't (assuming the lights are fairly close to your subject) without ND'ing either the lights or the lens.
lets be honest with each other here... Profoto's flash duration sucks compared to the competition (8a excluded)
I'd add two more gripes.
The D1 mount, (the mount that attaches it to a stand, not the modifier mount) doesn't allow the light to tip back far enough to point straight up, (i.e. vertical, at a ceiling, etc) from a regular light stand. You need to sit a D1 on its end, on the floor or a table or something. Or you have to mount the light on a grip arm. This can be a major hassle. Sat on their end, you can't access any of the controls, or see what's going on. On a grip arm, they are heavy and a bit unweildy.
And, great as Profoto's modifier mounting system is (it is fantastic), it does make for bulky reflectors that do not pack down in groups. Not a major problem unless you travel alot with multiple reflectors.
Hello I'm leaving in France and there is a online website about the photography, which as tested the D1 250 in a more accurate and objective way than you've done.
I appreciate all your videos Lee, but this one looks like some advert for profoto.
Profoto isn't the BMW of the light studio, and even if they are making good stuff and a lot of modifiers, their products aren't as good as their price!!!! the quality/price comparison is simply awfully bad!
In the french review, they have measured the temperature all the power, and found a lot of variations : between min power and max there is 500 kelvins of differences!!! It's bad!
the guide number announced of the profoto D1 250 is 23! like a cobra flash.
And the finish: the price! You can have about 2x or 3x more flash for the price of just one D1, and the modifiers cost a lung, an eye, and a arm!
Moreover, profoto isn't well distibuted in France! if you have a problem.... you can prepare the rope.
The link of the test : http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1278/eclairage-profoto-d1-250-1.html
From France with love!
Hey Charlie, I tried to stay as objective as I could for my review and I didn't touch on things like color temp and flash duration simply because I didn't have the other gear to compare it to. I cannot argue that Profoto is extremely expensive and you can get quality flashes for a fraction of the cost. I believe there are some features that justify their price for SOME users and I tried to present those.
On the topic of size:
It's a manufacturing decision. The mass produce 1 shape, and change the guts accordingly.
Paul buff managed the issue by having different colors. They went with the corporate look...
Thanks Lee for another well considered and thoroughly thought out review. It appears that you have not given serious consideration to Paul C. Buff's Einstein 640, as this model enjoys all the benefits you praise in the Profotos and address all the negatives that you mention.
So the Einstein has all these
Pros
Full control from the remote
Reliability
Wide range of attachments
Simple speed-ring adapter
As for the Cons
No indication of actual power setting - The Cybersync has a visual indicator for up to 16 units that tells you not just the power level it is set to but also the actual metered output - the remote controller doubles as a flash meter.
Fan noise - None when the unit is off and reasonably quiet when switched on.
Battery indicator - Shows when battery is running low
AAA batteries - Sorry I don't agree that this is a problem at all. I use rechargeable and have a spare set in my camera bag - no issue at all.
Auto dump - The Einstein auto dumps, you lower the power and fire away no need to dump power.
Weight - I am able to put an Einstein with a 64inch
BTW - a tip to tell your heads apart is to have different color tape
I think that a third of the price (less) and considering the exemplary support that Paul C. Buff provides makes it extremely difficult for me to be impressed by the Profotos.
Did I mention extremely short flash duration and color stability?
I've heard many photographers say how much they love Einstein and after this comment I'll have to get them for a review. Thanks!
I love my einsteins but the fan noise makes me want to kill myself. That alone makes me want to buy profoto, but I can't because I am poor from surfing and traveling instead of working.
I use to own Alien Bees and I think they are a great flash kit. They are very strong, and a great value with great customer service. (Maybe even better then Profoto shhh....)
I sold them about a year ago and purchased a 7B and two heads and I will never look back. I rather sell my camera then my Profoto equipment. Images are sharper and obviously more consistent. One other point that might sound silly to some Is I don't want to show up to a big budgets shoot with yellow and pink strobes with little alien bees logo on them. You just need the product to work and on very few occasion the Alien Bees or the Vagabond II wouldn't work properly but the Profoto gets beat to hell and it always work.
Your images are "sharper" using Profoto!!?! You really are drinking the kool-aid now aren't you. I could accept many other arguments for the benefits of higher end lights but sharper images...sounds like a technique problem to me.
Lee, as much as I enjoy all the work posted here on FStoppers, the one set of lights you choose to review is a 1000w Profoto? As an owner of the 8a Air here, I understand more than I can state the reasons for investing in lights like this.. But does it truly reflect the 'average' user here on the site? I think not...
I also own the PCB Einstein lighting the E640's with the CyberCommander system. And although it does not have a 1000w of working light coming from it, it does however deliver some of the features you listed here as CONS, and lets not forget my biggest pet-peeves..REPAIR. And lets face it, a true 640 is nothing to sneeze at.
I don't know if this is your first barn dance with Profoto. But as with the Elinchrome systems.. VISA cards are a must have accessory (along with your AAA batteries. My repair bill out of both facilities are the things that heart attacks are made of. The average repair (for ANYTHING) out of PCB place is $60.00 or less... Compare that to $1,000.--s in either of the upper end lines.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is.... Profoto lighting is great, universal at rental houses, good name behind it and all that. But is it what most people can afford or use? I see far more postings for AB lighting and related than I do for upper end ( as you said) "The BMW of lighting"...
So why not order up a E640 with the CyberCommander system. See the visual indicators in real time go up and down on the LCD display (no guessing what stop your at), have all of the off & on features you displayed with the D1's..... Flexibility in modeling lighting, ability to control 16 lights at a time, either alone,, or in groups. That great t1 flash duration that these E640's are now known for... And all for about 1/4 the price per mono.
And lets not forget about the heart attack value added on the end of the warranty period..
I'm just sayin..
A few things you didn't mention - the d1 1000ws unit is just short of 6.5lbs, or close to 3kg. This makes is a real heavy light to put up high or boom down on anything. Also means using heavier stands, which make it not ideal IMHO for wedding usage.
I wish they came with the optional DOMED glass. All the other profoto heads have the glass dome. Its stupid you have to pay extra for it. I feel its a necessity for using larger soft boxes and definitely for using beauty dishes. (Mola Softlights even recommend using the d1 dome with their dishes).
There is a few profoto modifiers that the D1 won't mount on / work as intended, such as the Profoto Hardbox.
One nice thing about them is having 250w modelling lights and using the profoto batpac / generator on location for shooting in darker environments such as a rainforest etc. Another benefit not mentioned is you can use extension leads as the power is in the head, you can run lengths and lengths of regular AC cable vs having to pay a small fortune to get additional cable lengths for head / pack combo's and losing light output. (some cables drop up to a stop or so of light when they get long)
I still prefer a pack and head combo for location work. For weddings I feel you can't beat the acuteb2 600w LiFE units. I even run it inside for a photo booth at receptions with the modelling light on.
I've walked around with the profoto batpac on my shoulders and the D1 on a cstand + modifier and its not a fun experience.
Playing with these last night, we couldn't find where we'd plug in our PocketWizard receivers if we opted to (Lee mentions PocketWizards in this video, which is a bit misleading). In other words, they don't work with PWs, correct?
The sync port is hidden near the AC cable connection under the unit. It is often overlooked but it is there. I've used the Air Remote+Pocket Wizards together successfully.
Cool, thanks for the tip about the hidden sync port.
Great review Lee, too bad they are not in my budget plan since they seem really nice, but I think I can speak for most on here saying we'd love to see a wedding/portrait (in use) BTS real world application. Any chance?
Working on that now :)
I'd add yet another gripe
they're awful to work with in the dark, outdoors at night, or if you work in a dark studio (I do)
Zack, great post! I did my own little comparison of the D1 with the Einstein on a PhaseOne IQ at 1/1600.... which changes things a bit:
http://www.kern-photo.com/index.php/2012/08/einstein-640-vs-profoto-d1-w...
The D1 500 would be better suited than the 1000 with leaf shutter lenses since it has a flash duration slightly greater than the 1/1600 sec at about half power.
Interesting points mentioned here. I also got a D1 set recently the 1000/1000/500 Air studio kit set. I did not read the manuals and unfortunately the DVDs included only the PDFs of the manuals, no videos or multimedia tutorial. But one thing to share here immediately as a photographer and engineer - if you want to point the unit straight to the ceiling ... - don't just stick to the main hole, turn 90 degree and use the side holes - perfectly fit on the included stand - done. Any other problems - just post. ;-)
Well, could you please clarify what you mean by "side holes"? I just don't get it and it really bothers me that I can't point my D1 straight up. Thanks for your help.
... a picture says more than 1000 words. This is how I mount it without any modifications. Should point directly to the ceiling as requested here.
Thanks for your quick reply. My units purchased this summer don't have the side holes you are referring to?! Did you modify the units yourself? Otherwise I wonder if Profoto modified the design recently. I found some adapters online that should do the trick though.
That's why I wrote directly - no modifications done. This is one head from the 1000/1000/500 3 head studio kit, purchased 06/2013. All three heads have those holes. Would not buy adapter for that, if you don't have a stand drill at home, sure you find a hardware store to drill them in 90degree angle.
I actually have had both heads blow with what they say the capacitor. Not at the same time but just couple months a part. Don't know why and dealing with the 2nd time now so I'll see. Not a happy camper right now and Profoto is not being very helpful at all.... I also use my Dynalite heads and have had them for over 10yrs with nothing gone wrong, not even a tube.
I have one point I haven't seen anybody touch on, which ultimately led us to purchase these lights: When using a Mamiya 645DF+ Camera system with Leaf Shutter Lenses and the Profoto Air Transmitter you have, these lights can sync at 1/1600 of a second. As an added benefit, Profoto and Mamiya have a vertical grip for the 645DF, which has a built in profoto air transmitter. We have 2 D1 Air 500s, and simply take the camera out of the case and begin shooting at any speed up to 1/1600th, KILLING the ambient light and retaining shallow DOF without the need for ND. We power both 500 w/s heads with a single Paul C Buff Vagabond Mini Lithium battery pack all day, saving us thousands on buying profoto's portable pack and head units. We even slave our speedlights for rim lights outside, and they, too are then a part of the ultra high speed exposure, and speedlights at these sync speeds are capable of almost too much light.. No other transmitter system allows this speed due to delay in the radio (Including pocket wizards, elinchrom SPEED transmitters and any other mainstream brand. Those cap out at much less than the 1/1600 capable with these lenses and the profotos). Ramping the shutter speed up makes all of our lights (even the speed lights) super-powered outdoors. All due to the profoto air system and leaf shutters on the mamiya. We've tried many other systems to get to this point and it blows everything else away. Medium format is not for everyone, but if you are in that market, this is the only system to consider. I can't praise these lights enough.
Happy shooting!
I own a a D1 500 and I love the possibility on adjusting the light angle while using reflectors . As soon as I mount 5' Octa RFi , it doesn't matter how much I tight the knob the unit will not keep the angle . Since this is a new purchase I contacted B and H thinking the unit has a problem but even the B and H lighting department confirmed the issue is in general and not with my unit . By having a counterweight on the back of the light it will fix the issue but is this option worth for the price of the unit.... ? Also it was suggested to move the ring at the end of the unit while using this particular modifier and even this option didn't help plus I had different shapes of light totally unwanted .