Packing Heat: Should Photographers Carry a Gun on the Job?

Packing Heat: Should Photographers Carry a Gun on the Job?

It's an unavoidable topic in American conversations. In the photography world, it seems to pop up on the forums and Facebook groups often enough to warrant further consideration: guns. Not necessarily in the heated, political debate sense, but to ask this question: In a world where carrying a concealed weapon has become more normalized and photographers spend more time in remote and urban locations, do firearms have a place in your business?

Kellie Saunders, a wedding photographer in Birmingham, Michigan, knows a thing or two about gun safety and operating on the streets. Before becoming a full-time photographer, Saunders spent six years as a police officer in Detroit.

Originally, I studied journalism and worked with commercial photographers and publishers prior to becoming a Detroit police officer," Saunders said. “When I decided to get married and start a family, I wanted a job that was flexible and offered stable hours. I couldn't find that in the private sector, so starting a business with my camera was a natural and easy transition.”

Saunders still does most of her work in Detroit as a photographer. But unlike her time spent in a squad car, she mostly leaves the gun at home these days.

“I am a firearms lover. Let's get that out of the way right now," she said. "I am all for private citizens having the right to carry firearms if they so desire. With that said, with a firearm comes great responsibility."

So, carrying a gun while she's out making portraits isn't in her plans.

“How can I photograph clients and be in a creative headspace while at the same time be legitimately prepared for a battle with a criminal?" Saunders asked. "If someone were to jump out of the bushes, let's say, their weapon is already out and ready. Time is of the essence, so think about it. By the time I can put my camera down and draw my weapon, either I or my clients could be hurt or killed.”

Saunders said that most Concealed Pistol License holders aren’t tactically trained, so drawing a weapon when out on an engagement session or other job might do more harm than good.

“Not everyone understands how a real life firefight could go down. I do, and that's why I choose to keep my weapon at home when I'm with clients," she said.

On the opposite side of the spectrum is a 12-year licensed concealed pistol carrier and active auxiliary police officer who is also an established wedding and event photographer in a major metropolitan area. He was granted anonymity for the sake of his business, as it might be affected by this article.

There are lunatics everywhere. Who says giving up your stuff will protect you? That may work sometimes but not always. Sometimes, lunatics are into random violence, not just robbery,” said the photographer, who disclosed that carrying is a personal choice for him and that he doesn’t disclose it to clients.

“Responsible gun owners don't tell people they are carrying. One, many people aren't comfortable with it, so there's no point. Two, it isn't something to brag about. It is for protection against bad people,” he added.

The photographer said he began carrying on the job out of general concern for his safety while hauling gear around jobs in the city.

“I think I've been carrying around 10-12 years, not sure precisely," he said. "I was worried about crime and thought it was a good idea."

When asked for comment, National Rifle Association Spokesperson Lars Dalseide said: “Whether at home, on the job, or in the field, the NRA supports every law-abiding gun owner’s choice to safely and responsibly exercise their Second Amendment rights." He elaborated: "The right to carry was only available in a handful of states in 1991 while violent crime was at an all-time high. By 2015, more than 40 states had adopted right-to-carry laws, and the violent crime rate had dropped 51 percent. Should all the credit go to the new right-to-carry laws? No, not all. But criminals are less likely to attack targets who might be armed."

New stories of photographers being robbed or mugged aren’t unheard of, so it's no surprise that many people consider a concealed weapon as a precaution. On the other hand, statistics tend to find that guns are used far more often for killing than self-defense. But if guns aren't for you - for whatever reason - Saunders says vigilance and some streets smarts are most likely enough to keep you safe.

“I photograph in Detroit almost every week, and I love my city. I've never had a problem,” she said. “My advice is to always be aware of your surroundings. Know the areas you are working in. Don't trespass. Don't take your clients to abandoned buildings. Work in well-lit, well-traveled areas. If you see someone down the street approaching you on an 85-degree day with his hands in his pockets, wearing a thick jacket, and looking around, get in your car and leave.”

It should be noted that in many states, concealed weapons are not permitted inside of churches or synagogues, nor are they allowed in places of gathering that exceed set capacities. If you're a wedding or lifestyle photographer who carries or is considering carrying a gun, make sure to check the regulations of the state you work in first.

Where do you stand? Is having a concealed weapon with you on a shoot something you’d consider? Do you already carry? Should your clients know about it? Let us know in the comments.

 

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Adam is the Assistant Director of Photography at Central Michigan University. He has been pushing a button for a living since 2009 and for that entire time constantly finds himself correcting people who pronounce it "fur-tographer".

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What you just watched is a former undercover cop, a former pmc contractor and firearm instructor talking about how one can prepair the worst day one could have. That is how one defend oneself, and it was never pretty. I feel good about the fact that some people are willing to stand up against evil. And having common sense.

You know what, keep concerning. It is okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRT60YEeanY

No, I do not carry a gun due to local law.

Yes, I am being stopped by a piece of paper, because I love my freedom.

However criminals will not be stopped the same way. They are are willing to commit murder or robbery, that paper which stopped me to equip myself has no effect on them at all. That is why I support the effort to change that.

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Things are changing here, luckily we don't have as many herds like you here.

And, don't have worry, with the amount of radical groups in GB demanding for "Sharia Law for everyone". They won't hurt anyone at all.

The kingdom have Sherlock, and James Bond, so the violent crime rate is..... not 3 times higher than US. Enjoy your tea, and long live the Queen!

Lee, I'd be depressed too if I were powerless and reliant on my government to defend me.

Saw a documentary on guns in Croatia; they had a turn-in years ago. Considering the amount of garage gun manufacturers, and the disproportionately small amount that were actually confiscated, MANY were not turned in as the law demanded; and some continue to be manufactured. As an elder of the community commented when asked if everyone turned them in: "The smart ones didn't." I believe that is the spirit of what James Yeager was speaking to. The idea that there is hope for you and you don't need to be powerless against tyrants despite the law. I don't believe he mentioned carrying, I believe he was talking about keeping one in your home for more extreme scenarios; war, riot, etc.

I suppose you could argue if they're truly to defend from tyranny, then why not ban them from the streets and lock them up in home for such an occasion; similar to Switzerland. The answer is the same as why we defend ANY new gun regulation; keep the fight at their doorstep. We've seen regulations play out in Europe...it doesn't end well for the patriot. Every law is an inch towards total confiscation; that is undeniably the goal of progressive liberals. They love to say, "we don't want your guns" ....yet

With every new regulation there is always more to follow. Now they're trying to sue Remington for manufacturing the gun used in the Newtown shooting. Somehow that is logical.

Perhaps you should read some history. Croatia, as a part of former Yugoslavia, is more or less in post war status with its neighboring countries Serbia, Bosnia and Slovenia.

The same goes for the Swiss. Switzerland has no structural army, it is made up out of a militia system. The structure of the Swiss militia system stipulates that the soldiers keep their own personal equipment, including all personally assigned weapons, at home (until 2007 this also included ammunition.

History. The thing that tends to repeat itself? Thus lending legitimacy to the idea of an armed people to prepare for war; imminent or not.

Thank you for supporting my point.

Is this a real person? Imho this is a complete idiot.

You can think however you like, bye.

video: "oh, there's one under my couch; another gun." I love it; plays to the downplayed commonality of firearms here in the states. Just another useful tool in our lives until the liberals come in to tell us what's best for us. Their comment would be more like: "OMG, there's one under the couch!?!?!?! ANOTHER GUN?!?! EEEE-eeeK!!!" :-O "But one isn't too many?!?!"

carry insurance not a gun.

Do you think that criminals politely ask for your equipment and you just call police right after the incident? If someone will jump you, you will get hurt. If you carry few $k in equipment, be aware of your surroundings, and gun may safe your life.
On top of all the arguments, if criminals knew that photographers are armed, they would never try to rob photographer. If criminals knew that everyone is potentially armed... I let you finish this sentence.

make sure to opt for the "advanced revival policy" I believe it's the same one Jesus had.

It depends on several factors: what equipment I'm using, how large is the crew/group I'm with, will there be cops/security if out in public, and if it's in a house or studio-then I won't bring my firearm. But in a sketchy part of town and it's say just myself and the model and MUA I'll carry.
I have a concealed weapons permit, and hope to God I'd never have to draw my firearm on somebody-Iwas pretty close to have to recently.
It's all on individual responsibility, I know my local/state gun laws and have literally thousands of hours of weapons training. Anyone with a firearm should be well versed with handling it and knowing the situations you can use it-it's this lack of responsibility which is the reason for a lot of the nonsense in this country.

<QUOTE>There are lunatics everywhere</QUOTE>
Yes, lunatics are everywhere and unfortunately, some of those are state legislators. I am a resident of South Carolina, although I don't live in the Charleston area.

South Carolina allows CWP for those that pass a background check and take mandatory training. Currently, businesses are allowed on whether to allow or deny concealed weapons in their business.

A member of South Carolina's General Assembly wanted to allow guns in places where alcohol is served. Think about that for a minute or two, guns and liquor. That can be a lethal combination.

Then there are the reciprocal agreements with other states to allow their citizens to enter South Carolina with their guns. Another member of South Carolina's legislature wants to grant the citizens of the border state to the left, Georgia, reciprocal gun rights. Georgia does not require mandatory training, but if South Carolina recognizes Georgia's CWP, then other states may revoke their CWP privileges with South Carolina.

South Carolina has this "Stand Your Ground" law where when you think your life is threatened, you can use deadly force. A few years ago, after a high school basketball game between an intense rivalry of high schools, a member of the visiting team went to the local hangout of the home team looking for a fight. A teen was stabbed and died from a knife wound. That guy rolled his window down cruising through the parking lot looking for a fight. He said he felt his life was threatened. Okay, why did he roll his window down and stop?

"Guns and liquor could be a lethal combination." You are assuming too much and possibly watching too much TV. I've never been to an establishment that transformed to a scene from Roadhouse. There are many restaurants that also serve alcohol, Applebee's, Friday's, Outback, etc.; prior to this rule, a law abiding citizen would be criminalized for carrying his weapon to dinner as he carries everywhere else.

Now imagine how many times you've been at a bar in close proximity to concealed weapons and NOTHING HAPPENED.

"Stand your ground" law merely means you are not obligated to flee. Most states that do not have that rule, obligate you to first make an attempt to flee if reasonably possible. In the case you mentioned (no court outcome provided) the judge will certainly look upon this case with scrutiny. I am confident the man looking for the fight is in the wrong and will be punished. Same as if I try to be a vigilante and go on a "walk" in a bad neighborhood I have no business in, and "happen" to find myself in a life-threatening scenario that requires deadly force. The judge will ask, "what were you doing in the projects at 11:30 at night? You live 15 miles away."

Man. You live here and don't know your own rights. Read case examples before assuming. We don't live in the wild west as Europeans have convinced you. You may be surprised to find that you WANT a gun for yourself; no years of kung fu training required.

I'm fairly new to freelancing, I don't have my gear insured, but I still have thousands of dollars worth of gear that I need to make a living
I live in a pretty bad area of LA, down the street an old lady got stabbed in the neck and died on Christmas morning for her purse...
Call it a product of the environment or situational circumstances but there are bad/crazy people out there.
If someone or multiple people try to take my gear from me I cant just let that happen
Now I'm not saying everyone should have a gun but I do agree with the "equalizer" standpoint
Sometimes just having it is the difference
I would prefer to have something like an ASP baton but of course those fall into the "blunt weapon" category so they are illegal to carry

I prefer an un-equalizer. Why give a fair fight to someone unfairly targeting you in the first place? Do they deserve it? I don't know, do you deserve to be robbed? It's you or them. How bad do you want to see your family every night?

I hear many say, "if they need it more than me, then let them have it." That makes it ok to take things? Cali is a shopping spree for armed thugs....law abiders rarely carry there; chances are they won't encounter resistance.

One thing I've learned is it doesn't matter what part of town you live in. Crime happens everywhere. More often in some places, but everywhere. The likelihood of ever using my gun is less than winning the lottery; however I make the choice to carry at all times; even kicking back in my jammies at home. Exercise your American right. I'll say that with the caveat: if you're comfortable with it. You have a deadly tool to be used for good, but still deadly. A lot of people can't fathom that. I can't either, but I still carry.

I live in Australia so when I saw the title of this article I thought "that's insane" but I guess in America maybe the country's violence levels have risen to the level where it's necessary... We have some of the most dangerous animals in the world here but very few of them are large enough for a gun to be effective defence and as for defence against another human, I cant imagine that in the course of my day I would run into anyone else who had a gun and random gun crime is almost unheard of so owning a gun seems ridiculous... I imagine I would feel differently if I lived somewhere like America or one of the less stable war zones.

You really pissed of this Drew Pluta character.

hahaha.... ah man....

Take my Glock 43 or Sig Sauer P938 everywhere I go.

I have nothing against CC. I am former military and believe people should be able to carry guns if they want to. I will not carry a gun for personal reasons.

I am trying to understand how you would comfortably move around on a shoot with a gun strapped to your waist band. I know it would bother me like crazy.

Try carrying and find out.. There are many .380's that are toyish looking. My snub-nose revolver has ergonomic contours, and when carried in appendix-carry fashion can be quite unnoticeable. You also may have a camera bag....that opens a world of options.

I'm an American and I've never carried and likely never will. I also don't clutch a parachute every time I fly. Crazy I know, but life is entirely too short to worry about every silly what-if situation.

Carrying a gun would inherently remove the 'worry'. Life is short, that's why there is nothing silly about assuring that I see my family every night.

I'll likely never need my gun in my lifetime, but I'm not going to wait for a situation to help me decide if I need one. What I mean is, there are many who now carry, because of a traumatic event. I hope you won't be one of them.

You also have people from other countries like my wife, who, even after experiencing a traumatic event they still don't even consider a different outcome with a gun; it's been conditioned out of them. We are fortunate with the unique rights that we have.

Firearms for most people are like fire extinguishers or tire wrenches, they learn to use them and done. Why some folks hate other individuals for simply want to carry them is beyond me.

Wow hot topic, I would like to state my 2 cents that won't change anything

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p__hFgo-T1Q/U_OSoMRmqfI/AAAAAAAAXeI/UJZiByXCcM...

These "statistics" always piss me off!!!
1. How about number of incidents where someone scared off aggressor by presenting firearm without firing a shot? Does anyone run those statistics?
2. How about situation when the criminal got shot in the ass but didn't die? Why that statistics is omitted? Inconvenient for the agenda?
3. Why are we considering suicides at all? The gun didn't make those people suicidal...
4. What criminal gun usage has to do with private citizens owning and carrying guns? Gun don't make one criminal. Because I CC, I am not going to use firearm in crime because I am not criminal. Simple.
Why are we talking about all the mass shooter tragedies but everybody forgot about one which was stopped by private citizen: http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-driver-with-concealed-handgun-preven...
Maybe if French carried guns there would be less people killed by extremists...

Gun control is a feel-good measure, the most "gun control" city like Chicago(Chiraq) and Oakland are the worst example of inner city violence.
People who commit crime with guns not because they have guns, it is because poverty, broken Jail system(AKA Academy of Crime), broken early education and mental issues. Let's face it, even they don't have guns, they are going to do bad things with knives or other tools.

Has anyone ever been in a situation where pepperspray wouldn't be enough?
I mean they either also have a gun (which is already drawn because they had the element of surprise) or they don't have a gun and pepperspray would do the trick. Everyone who took a breathe of that nasty stuff knows that you don't need a gun to defent yourself against someone.

Why fumble with spray when you can have something more effective. Spray them, so they may continue to harass others who are not well equipped as you are. Shoot a criminal and they will flee to ONE place; the hospital. You cannot enter a hospital with a gunshot wound and not attract police attention. You're looking out for others which makes guns humanitarian.

Depends on the environment. If I'm a photojournalist in a heated area then yea, if allowed of course. In other cases where its very unknown but possibly very high risk yea, like shooting in an abandoned buildings.

I decided to conceal carry when I was out a night time portrait shoot. Some dudes decides to harass us and one asked for my camera. Lucky for my model and myself a cop car happen to come around the corner scaring them off.

I won't let that happen again. I don't have to shoot them, but the mere sight of a gun will sometime make people think twice.

Lucky you. I don't own the permit nor the weapon, I am living near an area with the worst crime rate and the strictest gun laws.

I carry on occasion. I find myself carrying depending on my clients/models preference. I live in an area that many people are not alarmed by firearms at all. Respecting the customer is key.

no guns = no gun violence. I understand the premise of protecting your assets etc but why not buy insurance instead? I live in Australia and it is very rare / non-existent to be robbed on a shoot...too many witnesses and generally there are many on lookers, of these rare cases no guns are used as we have tight gun control.

In the states I accept it is different but arming yourselves more only means more shootings. I know its not in the gun owner control. The government needs to change gun laws in the states. Until such time its maybe the only way to protect against a gunman.

Its a flawed argument and a stupid approach to civil protection!

That is...Partly true. Except the government officials will become the only people who commites gun-crime, like June 4th 1989 in Tiananmen Beijing.

yeh sure but can you see america doing something like this? (besides a Trump government :P)

No one in the square foresees their government will run them over with tanks neither.

no knifes = no knife violence. Logic, right? How will you dill with rapes? Castrate every man?
Why gun violence is worse than other violence? Why don't we look at the guns as tool. Only tool that equalize powers between attacker and victim.
Why there is that propaganda stating that the guns are source of violence. What about people that commit the violence? I grew up in small town, where guns were only owned by police, yet there ware many deaths. People were stabbed, people were beat up to death, but they were not shot so that's OK, right?

sorry buddy but you can't beat hard cold facts. Guns might not be the source but if you have no guns....then violent people can't use them. Its not hard logic...its quite simple.

1. Hard cold fact is that violent people have all other weapons they can use.
2. How will you propose to take guns from criminals?
3. You guys have good intentions but no logic behind it.

when have you seen a kid come to school and start stabbing people with knives and getting mass killings.

When was the last time you saw a siege with a guy holding people hostage with a baseball bat. Its moronic to only blame the people and not the people arming these offenders.

Criminals will have guns and sure we have the potential for guns violence in Australia but we have import control on guns, licensing and sale restrictions. America hides behind its constitution that was written to protect citizens of the 18th and 19th century.

You can not deny the logic buddy. Australia has had no mass shootings since Port Authur in April '96. Thats 20 years! America had on 372 mass shootings last year!

If you can not see that guns are as much to blame as the violent offenders you are deluded. Remove the controlling factors the guns and you reduce gun related crime.

Richard it's a flawed argument to claim more guns equates to more shootings. A complete fabrication. Most altercations with guns are neutralized without firing a shot. By law you cannot draw your weapon unless you intend to shoot, but there's nothing saying you have to pull the trigger.

20 years since a mass shooting in Australia since is not a fabrication

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