Ok, so we've covered why you should love the Creative Cloud: it gives you access to everything Adobe everywhere you go. It gives you all the outstanding programs at your fingertips. It is taking connectivity to a whole new level for creative collaboration. Updates are instantaneous. But all that aside, it's a stifling, expensive system that might be forcing you into something you don't want.
1) You're only renting the software.
Adobe applications have become what many of us hate about other situations like internet service or rental housing: monthly payments. Worst yet, you no long can say you own the products. What happens if you can no longer afford the pricing, or what if Adobe arbitrarily increases pricing in the future? You can't combat it. You're trapped.
2) It's all or nothing Sorry, my mistake. The real issue is dropping the ability to invest.
There are thousands, hundreds of thousands even, of Adobe customers who only use one program. Lightroom, Photoshop, whatever, they don't need access to Illustrator. They have no idea how to use nor any intention of learning how to use After Effects. What the heck is Speed Grade? Ok, if you want photoshop you CAN buy it by itself, but it's $20 a month. There are CC full subs that are that price, and even at full price that's nearly half the cost of just getting everything. Not really all that appetizing. Plus, there are those of us who really like to buy software and keep it for 8 or 10 years. Can't do that here. No more investing in software, and that has a lot of people miffed.
3) After paying for the subscription for years, in the end you have nothing to show for that investment.
Let's say you buy the software subscription today and continue for the next three years. That's a large investment, and in the end you'll have spent a couple grand and have nothing to show for it. That's an uncomfortable thought.
4) You won't have access to your own files if you end your subscription.
We create thousands of gigabytes of data yearly, much of this data saved as Adobe proprietary file types. You stop paying a monthly fee, you can't access those files. In the past, at least you could open them without fear, even if the software was outdated. Now? Not the case. You pay, or you lose your process. What that comes down to is there is no way to really exit from Adobe. You're, again, trapped.
UPDATE: For those of you who misunderstand point 4, it has nothing to do with the end files you make, but everything to do with the proprietary formats like .psd or .ai. You can't open those files without Adobe programs. That's the issue.
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I think the biggest mistake Adobe has made thus far is ignoring that group that only wants one piece of the software and not the whole suite. There are a lot of creatives who buy software and keep it forever. For them, the CC is exorbitantly more expensive. It's a really tough situation and one where, amongst the folks I've talked about this with, we think Adobe is really missing the mark. There are a lot of angry people out there because people hate feeling forced into things they don't want. They can't invest. That's the real issue.
What other reasons can you think of to dislike the new Adobe Creative Cloud? Will any of you defend it?
Meh, I could care less. I edit with GIMP :) LINUX FTW!
We've created a boycott website http://boycottcreativecloud.com and also an online petition to tell Adobe we're not happy! Please sign it: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/boycott-creative-cloud/
This sux. Robbing a loyal fan base.
I heard that the CC actually stands for your Credit Card, but it's under the guise of Creative Cloud... ha
There were more people downloading and cracking photoshop than people legally buying it. In order to stop being able to pirate adobe software and to step into the cloudy future, they came up with the adobe cloud. Yes it sucks that it's all rental, but it's either that or adobe would probably stop updating their software and slowly die. What would you use to edit your photos then? I have the creative cloud. I like the cloud because now I can finally legally own photoshop and even use programs I didn't even know I had any use of.
More people stealing than buying????
Where have you heard? Where are the numbers?
If Adobe can stop piracy they can do it exactly the same way in a (so called) cloud or in the classical distribution way.
It´s simply not true that they can stop piracy only that way.
All the Apps are running local as before. Please inform before posting.
I see it the other way. Adobe hat earning growth more than 10% all the last years. It´s up to them doing updates in a useful way. And I will have to decide if I want pay for them or not. A Company which knows, that it´s members will pay next month is not highly motivated, or?
I would say, they although USED piracy and abused educational licenses to make the base of their number one market position.
Don´t be afraid, that THESE GUYS will ever go out of business. The evil will survive. Ever.
You should better be afraid of the moment you can´t pay your fees any longer and lose the access to your files (No FEE no SOFTWARE no OPEN no PRINT OUT)
And you should be afraid of the moment others (like glitter flitter Apple or MS) will follow and your PC will only start up after connection to bank account...
Or if they go out of business now the CC people are completely screwed. At least if they go out of business with the licensed software you still have your WORKING software.
...without the updates in future times. As it was all the times before. (I can use my CS6 Master Collection as long as I want, and as long as I keep my MAC running for it) I am responsible for many ten thousands of client files. I have to open and change them every day. Also files that are one till three years old. Do you really believe I subscribe into a solution, where I have to pay for every file-editing of files I created? Never! I payed many ten thousands of Euros to Adobe over the last 22 years. And I ever bought the lifelong right to use the software I got. Tell me one serious point why they don´t offer the cloud as an option as before.
No. I was agreeing with you. My point was that if you're using the subscription (CreativeCloud) and Adobe goes out of business you've got nothing, no access to your files for editing whereas with just standard licensing (CS) you at least still have access to your software and can still edit your files.
Ok. I got it. Excuse me. But I don´t think you have to be afraid of that. As I read in many posts, Microsoft is taking influence in Adobe. They already own a part of the stock and have a member in the management board (if I read that right). So I think, there is no need to be afraid, that this company will go out of market. They are a monopolist in the graphical business. For the moment that would collapse if Adobe goes out business. It´s a giant. Also if - that doesn´t mean that there will be no one who will buy the code and bring it on to it´s future. There is really no need to fear a stop of photoshop.
Adobe could do one simple thing to quell peoples anger, including my own. Just stipulate that if you pay for the CC for 3 years (or whatever the amount of time is fair price-wise) you can then keep the version you have if you quit the subscription. You wont get any updates but you wont be left in the cold not being able to open your psds if you cant pay. Otherwise the thought of having to pay Adobe yearly until I die is ridiculous.
When people retire they still take photos and want to use the tools they have used for decades, but now they will have to keep paying for that privilege... and by the time I retire it will probably be like $2000/yr. Adobe keeps saying trust us, we won't raise the price, that would alienate people. Well I think they've proved they don't mind doing that already! This is a company that has an expensive product with virtually no support, that has forced upgrades by withholding camera raw plug ins --- so why would we trust them??
And as for the math, no matter how you slice it the CC ends up being more for me. Because I generally upgraded every other update (still using CS5 happily here). I use 3-4 of the suite programs and there is no good package for that, I just have to pay for everything. If I upgrade to CS6 it is $550 and I'd probably use that for at least 3 years (assuming buying a new camera doesn't screw me). Waaay cheaper then CC.
Basically Adobe, this sucks. Is there an award for the worst company with the best product? Because you will win that.
Zoe's suggestion sounds pretty reasonable, that you get to keep a copy of the software if you pay for it for so long, but this causes a big problem for software manufacturers when it comes to maintenance.
This stems from the fact that all software has problems, bugs and so on, especially when it's the size of photoshop. The software company wants to push bug fixes out to customers as soon as they find a problem, and since most users have decent web access they can now do this regularly, just like apps do on a phone.
The problem is that this only works if everyone is using the latest version of the software, otherwise the company has to be doing bug fixes for every version of the software which has been released, because someone might still be using it.
This is like maintaining several different versions of the software at the same time, which is not really an easily maintainable solution for software companies.
So they move to the same model that computer games have used for several years now, and which mobile phone apps also use, maintain one version of the software and ensure everyone uses that version.
Of course this yields another problem, if everyone is receiving all the updates to your software then they only pay once and get to use the latest version forever, which is not a great business model. So they use subscription to create the revenue stream.
Is this more expensive to Zoe and everyone else who doesn't upgrade with every release? Yep probably is. Does it ensure that everyone is using the same version of software, which can therefore be better maintained and offer a better experience to the user? Yep probably does.
It is easy to accuse companies of money gouging, and I'm sure there's enough of that going on, but there is another side to this which it's worth understanding.
Thank you. One of the few posts talking sense here outside of the many others who are kissing Adobe's @ss like Apple fans waiting a week in line for a new Iphone.
I wouldn't mind paying the monthly fee if I could walk away and just keep the old version so I could still work on all the content I created and not be stranded. Alternatively, why don't they impose a minimum of months you must rent...THEN if you stop paying you can own the copy. People that are dying for the new features can keep subscribing month by month.
But generally, anyone who is loving this really is a suck-up; this benefits the consumer in NO WAY and completely erodes any trust people had in this company to be fair to those that have been loyal paying users. I have no doubt that you'll see new features grow to a crawl once this model is mostly in place and all the nonsense about quick iterative development will go right out the window. Remember, they have stock holders that want to make money...your concerns are secondary, tertiary or even lower.
A Creative Cloud membership includes 17 different products. I use 4. I recently completed a survey for Adobe (I have been using Photoshop since 3.0) and made this point: I want Adobe (cable television providers should do the same) to give me 2-4 different sized 'groups' and the ability to fill those with any product (or channel) at incremental price points. Ex: Choose any 2- products for $20/mo, any 4-products $30, any 6-products $40, the entire cloud for $50. They would have far greater revenue and it would immediately distinguish the truly great products from the mediocre.
Imagine cable TV with just *your favorite* channels for significantly less than what your spending now- more people would jump on board, revenues wold increase and profits would climb as all the unwatched channels would go the way of the DoDo Bird.
I like creative cloud but I use the whole suite all the time - much cheaper for me than buying program by program - I'd also go crazy running a 10 year old version of any software... http://schadt.com
I will never buy another adobe program... I will never pay a monthly fee to use their products... I will never even upload another image to their newly acquired (To remain nameless) portfolio website...
If you fall for this trap and conform.. Things will be just like they are on gas prices... Always more than it should be because YOU are allowing it.... DONT ALLOW IT!
Well, sorry Adobe, sorry to break your heart, baby. I know you love me, but lately it seems like all we do is argue, and I've started to feel that you've stopped appreciating me and started being too focused on us being together forever. I know you don't understand any of this because you thought you dropped all the right hints, said all the right things, and even showed me exactly what I needed to do for us to have a life together ... but I just can't commit to you like that, baby. I will never be able to pay a subscription for software like you want, it just isn't who I am, and I don't think we can be together unless we are both being who we were truly meant to be. Thanks for CS5, and maybe CS6, and thanks for the memories, sweetheart, we had a good thing, and I'll never forget you, but I think its better for both of us if we end it now before things get any more serious, ... I've got to be moving on.
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I am in technology sales and marketing. From a PR and sales point of view this
"Product Launch" is a full on train wreck. Absolutely pitiful
support, agreement or excitement about the new Adobe Creative Cloud from
consumers of Adobe products. ALL of the forums I have reviewed this week are
overwhelmingly negative in their opinion of Adobe's announcement. Not a good
start to a new revenue model for them. Whoever dreamed up this business model
should be getting his resume tuned up. Shades of "New Coke", Netflix,
Facebook and Instagram pissing off their loyal customer base.
I assume Photoshop competitors are revving up their marketing machines as we
speak. This is a golden market opportunity for the right players to pounce on.
There are alternatives to Adobe. They should make themselves heard loud and
clear in the next few weeks. Arrogance is usually rewarded with falling share
prices and plunging sales figures. I also have to assume Adobe's loyal channel
partners are none too happy.
I think Adobe has done the right thing here. For themselves offcourse. Securing that ALL feature customers that want to use their software have to pay for it! I wonder how many using cracked software! i think alot of professionals do and this is offcourse a huge problem for Adobe. So the only way for a software company to survive nowadays is this way.
For myself i have been a Creative Cloud Member for a while now and im paying a monthly fee for using PScs6. I just sold a picture so that means I've "earned" a year of subscribing already.
Cant believe all the negativity??
Can't believe that you think this will stop cracking and piracy.
Once again, Adobe has closed their ears from bad feedback and only agrees to read the good feedbacks. Also, Adobe has became a very greedy, the quality of Software has gone down. We can see it clearly. The differences between CS4 and CS5 were quite big but the differences between CS5 and CS6 were quite minor but still they take the same amount of money from your wallet.
Also, Lightroom 5 has got new features but the performance is still poor. Adobe should figure out that if they add new features, they should make sure that the software doesn't slow down and works flawlessly.
Motor optimizing has been a problem with Adobe. Lightroom is quite heavy software compared to competitors, Speedgrade is way too heavy when you compare to DaVinci Resolve. Adobe, please! If you could optimize your software and fix the biggest problems (Don't just run them in your brand new HP desktops which have Xeon, try other formats too for Christ sake!!) instead of taking all the money from us...
Adobe has waited too long to implement this model. There are too many inexpensive alternatives available.
First of all Photoshop CS5 or 6 and Lightroom 4 (if you already own them) are perfectly good platforms and will be for a long time. It's not necessary to get every upgrade from Adobes since these have been underwhelming - it's very difficult, for example, to get excited about Lightroom 5 which I've downloaded and used. Its improvements are minimal. (When are we going to get decent HDR processing or reasonable pano features in Photoshop? Even Microsoft's ICE is a lot better at panos. MICROSOFT for god's sake.)
Alternatives for the photographer are the entire NIK suite from Google which you can now get for $149.00. AlienSkin and Perfect Photo Suite 7 seem to me to be entirely reasonable alternatives. Even Sagelight (which I don't think is quite ready for Prime Time but is improving fast) is only $49.00 (only a 22 MB download compared to Lightroom's 760+ MB). GIMP is a perfectly workable alternative and it's free. Adobe has become bloated and expensive. Because of the rapid improvement in third party software Adobe is not going to remain the standard. So my advice is stick with the Adobe products that you have and add exciting new features as they become available from alternative vendors. You can drop into these vendors directly from Lightroom and Photoshop. Don't patronize Adobe if they go to a monthly bill model. That's just fiscal silliness. And don't listen to shills like Greg Wilson or all the NAPP people that are going to try to get you to do this - they get their Adobe software for free.
WOLLT IHR DIE TOTALE CLOUD!!!
Seid Ihr von nun an bereit, Eure ganze Kraft einzusetzen, die Menschen und Software zur Verfügung zu stellen, um die Adobe Cloud zu besiegen?
Adobe behauptet, die Kunden wehren sich nicht gegen die totale CLOUD.
Sie wollen die totale Cloud, sagt Adobe.
Ich frage euch: Wollt ihr die totale Cloud?
Wollt ihr sie, wenn nötig, totaler und radikaler, als wir es uns heute überhaupt erst vorstellen können?
Glaubt ihr mit Adobe an den endgültigen, totalen Sieg der CLOUD?
Unter Aufnahme auch der schwersten persönlichen Belastungen?
Ich sage NEIN!!!! Wir wollen keine totale Cloud!!
WIR WOLLEN ENTSCHEIDUNGSFREIHEIT!!!
JAAAAA!
Ich will!
Wehret den Anfängen!
Nach adobe kommen Apple, Microsoft und all die anderen.
Der Rechner fährt erst hoch, nachdem er bei der Bank nachgefragt hat...
Die totale CLOUD!
Mann! Halten die uns alle für die totalen Schafe und wollen die wirklich den totalen...
Ja wenn? Denn!
Sollen sie haben.
Ich mag Photoshop nicht mal mehr starten sehen.
Fühl mich schlecht dabei...
REVOLTE? Ich bin dabei!
I'm guessing Adobe is about to sell a #$%!load of CS6 disks. I wonder if I got on Adobe's payroll as an "evangelist" I could afford the new price model. How does one do that?
'time to bring out the GIMP!'
Invest in software? I dont think so. I have no need for outdated software or computers. I started using Adobe with a "borrowed" version just like most people did. There is no way I would want to work day to day on CS2 vs CS6. I signed up for CC last year when it came out and it has allowed me to do more things and offer more products. In the last year there was also an update with some nice features. Didnt have to pay any extra for it. I started with just the Photoshop option but upgraded to the full membership.
I use 7 of the apps on a daily or weekly basis. It has allowed me to make more money and improve my work.
Dont forget CS2 is now free. Im going to guess most people that are going to complain are the ones who undercut prices or work for free.
Amen. Same story here. Borrowed it for a few years. The day I made money, I bought it and have never been happier.
I can say with a fair amount of certainty, that the worst part is the inability to pirate it. Millions of artists use [primarily Photoshop] for creating small works of art. And they can't afford to pay for a program like that. I bought the real creative suite myself, but i know many of my friends pirate it. I think taking away that ability is a bad thing for artists all around.
Well, I don't agree with you about the justification of pirating, I do think you'll have little to worry about. This won't slow people down from pirating, it'll just screw the paying customers.
Just playing devil's advocate here.. but to this point:
3) After paying for the subscription for years, in the end you have nothing to show for that investment.
...I purchased Final Cut 6 for the whopping 1200 dollars it was back then. Even though today I still own the disks and box and everything.. My guess is that it is only worth a laughable fraction of that now.
So what? I own a 1968 Honda Accord with 200,000 miles on it. It's not worth anything in the blue book.....BUT IT STILL DRIVES!!
True true... Hope my 05 Civic lasts that long. Wowsa
I will not rent software! If adobe wants to reduce piracy then they should charge the price to the update/educational price $500 for the creative suite and then I think that will reduce the piracy problem (there will always be people who steal software) I bought my first leagle version of Photoshop (CS1) when I took a photoshop class, because I thought that $500 was a fair price for software. Adobe software is not specialized enough and has a wide enough user base to charge $500, but not in the thousands of dollars those prices are reserved for software that has a user base in the thousands or tens of thousands world wide. I don't know what CS user base but it is defiantly in the hundreds of thousands to millions. In the end the this is just software, software does not require any real production costs it is increasingly being downloaded directly from the software company they don't even make discs anymore. Software is not like a tangible product like a DSLR for instance, Nikon probably spends as much or more developing a new professional DSLR as Adobe spends on a new version of photoshop or even creative suite, the difference is Nikon has to produce the camera ship it warehouse and distribute it. At the end of the cameras product cycle Nikon has to blow out the old cameras and sell them at little or no profit, to make room for the new model. Adobe has to throw away a few thousand dollars worth of discs (and when they go to a download only model that cost is gone. So software companies like adobe are just being selfish. Microsoft office used to be hundreds of dollars now you can get the basic version (not de contented) for $100 I'm quite sure that piracy went down when they started this because only the most dedicated cheapskate would bother at that price.
Point 1 has always been an issue for me. But, by reading, I noticed that point 4 is also critical.
We are dependent on these tools. Adobe has created new needs, but what are our real needs to create? And what are the valuable alternatives to their softwares?
Great article. I see the arguments for and against and I understand both sides. Personally, I don't agree with being forced to have to pay an ongoing fee to be able to continue to use something that I am already heavily invested in, both financially (with all my previous versions and upgrades and now an ongoing subscription) and creatively / intellectually (with all my work and work flow being tied to a system). It's like being told that the house I own and have paid off and live in is now no longer mine, I have to start paying rent in order to keep it or move out. This is the problem and the mental hurdle that those of us that are existing users are going to face. Adobe is effectively taking back everything we have purchased and is offering us a reduced rate to rent it back to us for the first period, then we have to fall in line with everyone else eventually as well. A slap in the face to existing users who must have been deemed by some Adobe Exec as a slow growth segment of the market so they are going after new acquisition clients by offering a different model packaged to look much cheaper on the surface. What happens if I don't pay my rent 3 months in a row, do I go into arrears and have to pay that off in order to get reconnected to my (sorry, no longer mine - your) system?
But ok, it makes sense on a corporate end user level. The tax benefits, the keeping up to date on a large scale of users without having to manage updates using and upgrading your IT infrastructure, etc… The list goes on and on. Well done Adobe, you have addressed your corporate segment of the market with a long term strategy that might be easier to forecast internally. Is your corporate user base really that much larger than all the individual photographers, enthusiasts and small businesses out there? Isn't it "creative" software that you are selling here? I guess you can do whatever you want when the widely accepted and modern day cultural term for the process your product does is the name of your product itself!
But there's also another argument here that can be made… Isn't software of any kind really just renting anyway? Do we really "own" the software we buy (or most of the technology that it runs on for that matter)? When it comes to being "tied in" to a system and having to keep it updated in order to keep proprietary files or libraries of files and adjustments on unfinished or ongoing projects working and usable, is it really that different to paying a small(er) ongoing fee? A new version of software comes out that we need to buy an upgrade for in one hit, then we find our computer needs to be upgraded to take advantage of it's full potential, then we buy a new camera that outputs larger, higher quality files, etc… The cycle just keeps repeating and each piece of technology keeps leapfrogging the other, forcing upgrade purchases across everything. Is this really new? The only difference is that currently you can pause your upgrades and stick with what you have for a while, but in the long run, miss too many upgrade cycles and you'll find a lot of things don't fit back together again so you're still "forced", in a sense, to keep moving at the pace they dictate.
Adobe has just sped up the pace here and destroyed our notion of ownership and loyalty along the way. What's next, coin operated vending machines?
I do not have a problem of renting software as it is with CC as long there are competitors, but in this case there aren't any, not real one, which in the end means Adobe is monopolistic company. In other words they can do whatever they want without real problem of losing customers, because professionals will have to use the same product again and again because in other case they will lose productivity they made and train over the years.
Btw. renting is future like it or not, but in long term, renting for almost every company is better solution. I just look from business and economics perspective.
john nack is busy deleting negative coments on his adobe blog.
wonder if he has time to work these days.
all you hear from people making money with adobe (aka scott kelby and co.) is that you should shut up and get on the boat. i would not wonder when adobes pays more people these days to make good publicity for the retarded cloud.
all in YOUR best interest of course.
i chanceld my NAPP membership yesterday.
i cannot afford to pay 600$ on a piece of software but i can pay my subscription which is to me an awesome thing , i get every new version , i use lightroom, photoshop , and adobe PDF maker and am learning to use premiere for BTS videos . i know not everyone is happy about it & will be using all this , but works for me .
what about the internet? If I'm sitting in my cabin in the lake, taking and editing picture of my current catch of fish or and I dont have internet or slow internet, how am i going to make my 10" trout look epic?!?! lame! this model is what a lot of company going for these day. Get you to subscribe to stuff. I hate subscription.
But it might put an end to serial killer with photoshop skip who enjoy taking pix of their victim and edit it! Now they can't do it w/o the cloud but if they do they get caught!!! woott
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreeme...
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreeme...
READ IT.
EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!
BEFORE IT IS TO LATE
I have been using the creative cloud actually for about 6 months it is nice. tho I do also own a Legit copy of PSCS6 it is nice to have it if you can't afford the software. My feed back to the company was that After a year or two you should own the copy of the software you have payed for the software you should own it. Or just make affordable upgrades from cs 6 I would gladly pay for an upgrade if the tools in the upgrade were worth it.
I have zero reason to trust another company to store "my" work. I think what they did is literally asinine!
Not to mention none of us know with how many 3rd party companies they are contracted with to steal content! We already have Facebook "legalizing theft", and others stripping metadata out of our works...now these guys! I mean seriously? Watermark people, seriously watermark everything you do!
Wow. That's all I have to say after reading all the comments from "professional photographers". I guess that's what Adobe gets for trying to please both the professional crowd and the amatuer crowd.
I'm no longer angry with Adobe because I think they just started something that could be great for us all. Before this announcement I never looked at other image editors. Now I'm realizing how much is out there and the potential some of these programs have. There's still nothing as good as PS, but I remember when Avid angered its customers and they all switched to an inferior product called Final Cut Pro, which in just a few generations would become better than Avid. So start looking around and letting everyone know when you think you've found a decent alternative to Adobe. I just looked at Pixelmator and it's not that bad. All they really need to do is support 16bit.
I think I'll keep the CS6 for many many years to come! The problem is not that the subscription can be expensive eventually, the problem is that if you do not pay then you do not have the software. This is unethical in my opinion. I would prefer to pay more expensive price for software than any subscription and upgrade whenever I want and if I want. I know many professionals and companies are still working with CS3 and have no problem!
WOW notice the pattern people if you complain or show how adobes math is flawed someone pops up to say its misinformation.
Diglloyd has an amazing breakdown of Adobes TOS for CC that amounts to Adobe can not only shut you Down arbitrarily but can also steal your content if they feel like it.
This is a must read for any pro and non pro artist using CC
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreeme...
JUST SAY NO
Boycott Creative Cloud
It doesn't take very long to work out that for most users that Creative Cloud will at least double the cost of using Photoshop if your the user who upgrades every second version (about every 2 years). OK for some people Creative Cloud make financial sense but if you do the maths even the person who has no Adobe programs and starts renting the Creative Cloud suite will end up paying more in 5 years or so.
The worst thing about Creative Cloud is once your on it you can never stop paying for it because if you do loss access to edit your files.
We should all tell Adobe no to Creative Cloud this is all about Adobes bottom line if people don’t join, Adobe will have to rethink.
Contact Adobe tell them why you wont be signing up for Creative Cloud